#22 Dena Patton with Dena Patton Coaching & Training

[00:00:00] Well, welcome again to a Christian Business Podcast. I'm one of your hosts, Aaron. Justin was not able to be with us today. So for the first time we're on video and remote recording. So a lot of firsts today. We are here with Dina Patton. And Dina, we had connected through LinkedIn. And just a quick note about who Dina is. She's an inspirational speaker and she's a business coach and works really with guiding Christian leaders.

[00:00:29] And she runs a 501c3 organization, the Girls Rule Foundation, Girls Rule Foundation. And so we're going to hear some about that. She has co-created a Bible study series. And so we're going to kind of talk about a lot of those things with Dina. But first and foremost, we're going to jump right into her story. And we're going to, I did not prepare devotion today. So please forgive me if that's your favorite part of the episode, you'll get over it. But hi, Dina. Thanks for being on the podcast.

[00:00:59] Thank you. I can't wait for this conversation.

[00:01:02] Wow. So let's do like we always do and just kind of start right at the beginning, whether that was church camp at age five or raised in a Christian home or big. So what did Dina look like before Christ and walk us through what that transition looked like?

[00:01:19] Okay, great. That looked like going to Catholic school, second through eighth grade, not having a great experience at all, both academically and religiously. It was rough for me. And it really turned me against God, actually.

[00:01:44] My eighth grade year, I just said, I'm going to throw the baby out with the bath water and say no to this whole thing. And I didn't really know, you know, at 14, you're trying to figure yourself out.

[00:01:59] Right.

[00:01:59] Right. And, and I just said, you know, this didn't work for me and God doesn't work for me and I'm done.

[00:02:06] Right.

[00:02:07] And I ended up in a high school where there was Young Life and a dear friend of mine, Megan was very involved there. And we were at lunch one day and we were kind of talking in and around religion and she clearly knew that I came from a Catholic school.

[00:02:26] Okay.

[00:02:27] And, but she was getting that it didn't stick. Right.

[00:02:32] And she said something to me really important. She said, you know, it sounds like you believe in Jesus and you believe in the Bible. You just didn't like that denomination.

[00:02:45] Right.

[00:02:45] That didn't work for you.

[00:02:47] And she said, you know, you can be Christian and not Catholic.

[00:02:52] And I literally, my head, it forced me.

[00:02:55] How dare she?

[00:02:56] What heresy?

[00:02:58] I know.

[00:02:58] I said, uh, I, I don't know if I knew that, you know.

[00:03:03] Right.

[00:03:03] And, um, she said, you know, you should come to this thing called Young Life.

[00:03:08] It's really fun, but it's, it's God centered, but it doesn't really have a denomination.

[00:03:14] And that was really the first.

[00:03:16] Entree into non denomination Christian.

[00:03:19] And I, it just opened my eyes.

[00:03:22] I was like, wait a minute.

[00:03:24] I can believe in the Bible and Jesus and have a relationship and I don't have to adhere to the rules of fill in the denomination.

[00:03:33] Right.

[00:03:33] Right.

[00:03:34] Right.

[00:03:34] It is Baptist.

[00:03:35] And I was like, this is amazing.

[00:03:38] Yes.

[00:03:39] Freedom.

[00:03:40] Freedom in Christ.

[00:03:41] Yeah.

[00:03:42] And my life changed.

[00:03:44] I mean, just absolutely gave me an identity.

[00:03:49] It gave me purpose.

[00:03:50] It gave me grounding and I was involved with Young Life for about three years.

[00:03:55] And then I was a counselor at the camp for two years.

[00:03:59] And then I moved to New York city.

[00:04:01] I moved myself.

[00:04:01] I had a dream, um, to move to New York city and at 21 Phoenix, Arizona.

[00:04:08] Okay.

[00:04:08] Yeah.

[00:04:09] Just a, just a quick question here.

[00:04:11] So you mentioned there.

[00:04:13] So you were 14 when your friend kind of invited you and then you finished high school and then spent three years working with young life or how did, where did that, what did that time?

[00:04:22] Yeah.

[00:04:22] I just became a student of it and then was invited to work at the camp a couple of years.

[00:04:29] And that kind of got me into, um, you know, um, not coaching, but, um, mentorship and which I just loved.

[00:04:40] And I really think it was the seed for the rest of my life because the rest of my life career wise has been inside of mentorship, training, development, coaching, things like that.

[00:04:54] And I, it was that, that seed that started that.

[00:04:58] Okay.

[00:04:58] Got you.

[00:04:59] So, and a lot of that was really just core faith stuff.

[00:05:04] There wasn't a particular direction to your coaching.

[00:05:07] It was, yeah.

[00:05:08] It was students who had been through what you'd been through.

[00:05:11] You know, you're the, that kind of Catholic background and then meeting Jesus reminds me a lot of Lindsay Hager's story.

[00:05:17] We had Lindsay Hager on the podcast and just kind of that rigid, direct, um, and I think there's, there's a place for rules.

[00:05:25] I think, I think God gives place for us to set up fences, right?

[00:05:29] To keep us from falling in the pit.

[00:05:31] But then we start to build fences back farther and farther away so we don't even go near the fence.

[00:05:37] Right.

[00:05:38] And, and so at some point in building those fences, we talked a lot about that with Moe's Yoder too in the Amish community.

[00:05:44] Um, as you move those fences back farther and farther somewhere, you lose the freedom that Christ has for you.

[00:05:52] Right.

[00:05:53] Um, yes, you're free from sin, but you're free to live.

[00:05:57] Yeah.

[00:05:58] And so, um, I just, that story resonates, I think with a lot of people to understand that relate.

[00:06:05] There is more to, there is more to Jesus.

[00:06:07] Then there's these rules, rules, rules and more rules as Sally Lloyd-Jones book says.

[00:06:13] Yeah.

[00:06:13] Yeah.

[00:06:14] You trade rules for relationship and that's the big piece is, um, and it wasn't necessarily all the rules.

[00:06:22] It just was to me, I was seeking and I didn't, you know, you don't have these words as a 13 year old or 14 year old, but I was seeking the relationship.

[00:06:32] I was seeking that closeness and because of all the rules in place, I think that what just, I was like, this doesn't work.

[00:06:42] Right?

[00:06:42] Right.

[00:06:42] It's like being alone in any relationship, a best friend or a spouse where there's really not a relationship there.

[00:06:50] And, but you feel alone in the relationship.

[00:06:53] Right.

[00:06:54] It doesn't work.

[00:06:55] Right.

[00:06:55] Discon, it's disconnected.

[00:06:58] It's going through the motions.

[00:06:59] I hear married couples sometimes talk about we weren't married, we were roommates during a period of their life.

[00:07:06] And it's, you know, we're doing life together, but that's all.

[00:07:10] There's no joy and intimacy relationship.

[00:07:14] Right.

[00:07:15] And connectedness, that's the key is connectedness and whether it's between you and your spouse, me and my spouse are actually leaving this weekend for our 18th anniversary wedding anniversary.

[00:07:25] Congratulations, 18 years.

[00:07:28] Yeah.

[00:07:30] To Italy, so we're excited and it takes work and it takes because connection takes work.

[00:07:37] Yes.

[00:07:37] Whether it's with your spouse or with Jesus, you can't just go, oh, I'm in a relationship and hit default and it'd be great.

[00:07:46] Connection is an intentional act.

[00:07:51] So if you want a better relationship with your friends, your coworkers, your spouse or Jesus, it's about connection and creating that time for connection.

[00:08:02] And that's what I was looking for at 14.

[00:08:04] But again, when you don't have the words, you don't, you can't formulate what you're looking for in words.

[00:08:10] Right.

[00:08:11] And sometimes it takes someone else to go, ah, I think you're looking for this.

[00:08:15] You know, right.

[00:08:16] Absolutely.

[00:08:17] That third person to look.

[00:08:18] And I think it's interesting that God continues to, God, you know, repeatedly referred to kind of that relational marriage, right?

[00:08:29] The church and the bride and all of that.

[00:08:31] And it's interesting that he didn't pick like a game to compare your faith walk with where there are rules and you have to play by the rules and all that.

[00:08:41] He used a relationship.

[00:08:42] And so it's such a relational thing, which is outside of a lot of other faith pieces too.

[00:08:48] So you, you worked at the camp for a while and started to develop that kind of affinity for mentorship.

[00:08:57] And we did you, did you hit up college or?

[00:09:01] I did, but I didn't, um, what actually came up about was, uh, I was working, uh, myself through college and I moved up in this company into mentorship, into training.

[00:09:17] And my goal after, uh, I was in film school, uh, getting a degree in film.

[00:09:24] Okay.

[00:09:24] And, uh, I was what my goal was, was after college moved to New York and midway through college, I, my job actually had a position in New York and I applied for it and I got it.

[00:09:40] So at 21, um, they said, Hey, do you want this?

[00:09:44] And my decision was take the job in New York.

[00:09:49] Cause that's where I wanted to go anyway.

[00:09:50] Right.

[00:09:51] Or stay and finish.

[00:09:53] And those are the, you know, those are the decisions that you have in life of like what this opportunity just came to me.

[00:09:59] So I prayed about it and, um, it was, it was one of those windows that opened for a minute and you either take it or it's going to shut.

[00:10:09] Uh, and so I took it and I, it created nine years in New York city.

[00:10:15] And, um, the first thing I did when I was there, I knew no one.

[00:10:21] I didn't have anywhere to live and I didn't know anyone.

[00:10:23] I had a job and God said, I'm going to find a church.

[00:10:27] There you go.

[00:10:27] Let's let's start there and let's start there.

[00:10:30] And I found the most alive, amazing.

[00:10:35] Church actually in the middle of times square.

[00:10:38] Uh, it was like 2000 people per Sunday.

[00:10:41] It was so amazing and it was me and God for nine years and he did amazing things through me and ups, lots of ups, lots of wins, lots of growth and some terrible, terrible lows.

[00:10:58] So, so you, that job you took was, was through kind of your film education, right?

[00:11:05] It wasn't.

[00:11:06] It wasn't.

[00:11:07] What was the field that was in?

[00:11:08] No, it was in restaurants, opening restaurants and that was just my job.

[00:11:12] That was my job, you know, getting myself through college.

[00:11:16] So it was what was really cool is it got me to New York, got me settled.

[00:11:20] After a year I quit that and started my own business and I've never worked with someone ever since.

[00:11:26] Gotcha.

[00:11:27] So I'm going to back up just a little bit.

[00:11:30] Talk to me about, uh, coming, coming to faith in Christ and yes, this, this freedom that you experienced.

[00:11:38] What, what, tell me about that time where you, did you connect with the local church?

[00:11:46] Were you living it?

[00:11:46] Were you growing?

[00:11:47] Did you have people that stepped in to kind of support you?

[00:11:50] What were some of the big faith moments after, Hey, yes, Jesus.

[00:11:55] I want a relationship with you.

[00:11:57] I, I'm not interested in all this rule following.

[00:12:00] What did the next couple of years look like as your faith began to grow?

[00:12:04] So I think in those years, and it was the young years, it was the high school college

[00:12:09] years, those years that I had my young life community, which is so, I think that's an

[00:12:15] amazing organization for youth.

[00:12:17] Um, so I did have that.

[00:12:20] I did have my father was my, my big champion of faith and he came to his faith later in

[00:12:31] life.

[00:12:31] And so, um, I did have him in a way, but he lived in a different state.

[00:12:38] So it was very few.

[00:12:42] Did I, very few friends, um, were Christian at the time.

[00:12:47] And what I think that time was, was God's time to pour into me, to pull me in the

[00:12:55] direction he wanted me to go instead of where all of my friends were going and my

[00:13:01] family was going.

[00:13:01] He's like, I got plans for you and it's over here elsewhere.

[00:13:06] So it was a really important time for me to grow in my faith, but be, be

[00:13:11] listening and really understanding.

[00:13:15] Um, I'm really big on knowing your gifts because God is, is so, he planted

[00:13:23] so many gifts in us.

[00:13:26] Oh my goodness.

[00:13:27] You'll give me started here.

[00:13:28] Oh my goodness.

[00:13:30] People who know me are going, oh my good.

[00:13:32] And she said there, she said the G word Aaron's not going to be able to

[00:13:35] move on people listening.

[00:13:36] So it's my word.

[00:13:39] I, I, yeah.

[00:13:41] Um, the, it's major.

[00:13:43] Did, did you, um, did your Catholic roots, did you ever find yourself

[00:13:49] leaning back into some pieces of that as now understanding freedom in Christ?

[00:13:55] Did you ever find yourself being like, you know, Hey, this was now that

[00:13:59] I see, you know, kind of the core and the way it's supposed to be,

[00:14:03] you know, like I had a friend who was Catholic and he left the Catholic

[00:14:07] church, but he still prays through a rosary because it gives him just some

[00:14:10] discipline and some focus.

[00:14:11] Do you, did you take any of those things from the Catholic church that

[00:14:14] you lean back into on the other side of that kind of relationship concept?

[00:14:21] I didn't.

[00:14:22] You didn't.

[00:14:24] Well, so much for that question.

[00:14:28] No, I, you know, I, I can respect it.

[00:14:31] And ironically, I married someone who was also born and raised Catholic.

[00:14:37] And, you know, I think that was a comfort zone for him.

[00:14:41] So when we got married, you know, he was like, what?

[00:14:44] Wait, wait, you don't go to mass.

[00:14:47] What is this?

[00:14:48] You know, it's very odd.

[00:14:49] I remember the first time that I went to a Christian church and when

[00:14:53] you're used to mass in a Catholic church, it's very different.

[00:14:57] And I can be, it can be intimidating.

[00:15:00] It can be weird, you know?

[00:15:02] Um, so it was a little bit like that for him.

[00:15:06] And, um, it took a little bit of us navigating and finding a church that

[00:15:10] he was, that we're both comfortable in, but it, you know, I back to that,

[00:15:16] you know, the beginning years is it was about me walking in my faith,

[00:15:23] building that relationship, listening and listening to my gifts.

[00:15:28] I was young and alone in New York and literally it was me and God.

[00:15:34] And he kept saying, trust me, trust me.

[00:15:37] And, you know, trust is, uh, I think everybody has a little bit of shade of

[00:15:43] trust issues, whether you have a lot of trust issues or a little trust.

[00:15:47] You know, we, it's like, wait a minute, trust me, trust me.

[00:15:50] And I really, those nine years in New York, um, was pivotal in my faith,

[00:16:00] in my development, in my marriage, who I am as a wife, as a mother,

[00:16:05] as a leader today, I needed those nine years to have the ups, have the

[00:16:11] downs, have the building my mind back to what you just said, like the faith

[00:16:17] practices, what I started finding was, and you're right, you know, whether

[00:16:23] it's the rosary or the Catholic things, structures is what I call them

[00:16:28] that help you build your faith.

[00:16:31] For me, I had to learn what, you know, what are those?

[00:16:34] How, how am I going to pray?

[00:16:36] What are my structures for that connection?

[00:16:39] Because I very much realize connection is the key to that relationship.

[00:16:45] And as a busy, young 20 something, I'm trying to build a business.

[00:16:50] I'm trying to date.

[00:16:51] I'm trying to do all the things.

[00:16:53] And I realized, Oh, I also need to carve out time every day

[00:17:00] from my connection with Jesus.

[00:17:02] And that's where I really started to understand the, um, taking care of

[00:17:08] my mental state, my emotional state and my spiritual state.

[00:17:13] It's a practice and it's a daily practice.

[00:17:16] And it's something that, unfortunately something had to happen really

[00:17:20] negative because I thought I was like doing fine.

[00:17:23] I'm like, I'm doing, I'm good.

[00:17:25] I'm going to church.

[00:17:26] I'm praying every once in a while.

[00:17:27] I'm good.

[00:17:29] Right.

[00:17:30] And then at 27, I had a minor stroke and it put me on my knees.

[00:17:38] Um, I had to learn how to speak again.

[00:17:41] I had to reinvent my life.

[00:17:43] It was horrible.

[00:17:46] And doing it alone again, you know, you're young, you're youngish,

[00:17:50] you know, you don't have your family there.

[00:17:52] And I had to figure out now this healthcare system, recover mentally,

[00:17:59] emotionally, spiritually, financially.

[00:18:01] I had a business with three, three employees, right?

[00:18:04] And I had it at the time I had a marketing agency and we were

[00:18:09] producing a monthly magazine.

[00:18:11] We were the only magazine that covered all of the entertainment.

[00:18:15] So Broadway, off Broadway, off off Broadway singing, dancing comedy.

[00:18:20] We were the only one that did that every month.

[00:18:22] So it was like huge out and expectation.

[00:18:26] Right.

[00:18:26] And I'm like learning how to speak again and recover.

[00:18:30] And now you can't talk.

[00:18:32] Yeah.

[00:18:33] Oh my goodness.

[00:18:35] Wow.

[00:18:36] Wow.

[00:18:37] So you're, um, so you, and I'm sure we're going to get to this in a little bit in

[00:18:43] terms of that's probably where some of that Bible study that you, that you

[00:18:47] co-created there came out of some of your learning those habits.

[00:18:51] How did you, how did you know?

[00:18:53] I mean, was it just naturally through church and church groups that

[00:18:56] you kind of learned how to really dig into relationship with Jesus?

[00:19:00] Cause I mean, you're not praying the rosary anymore.

[00:19:01] You're not bulletproof confirmation anymore.

[00:19:03] You're not.

[00:19:03] Where did your kind of foundational understanding of how to

[00:19:07] relate to Jesus come from?

[00:19:09] That's a good question because I think it can get very vague.

[00:19:13] Right.

[00:19:14] And then time with Jesus, what do you mean?

[00:19:16] What is that?

[00:19:19] Um, well, I definitely, you know, church is for me.

[00:19:24] What the biggest habit that started then was I am going to church every Sunday.

[00:19:30] That is a structure.

[00:19:32] I need that reset, that re grounding, that reconnection every week.

[00:19:39] And because we're flesh and we're, we're doing our best and we make mistakes

[00:19:43] and we have the ups and downs of the week.

[00:19:45] I have to have that reset and that reconnection every Sunday.

[00:19:49] But then what, you know, I always use the analogy of if you went out in your

[00:19:54] backyard and you planted say a little lemon tree and this little lemon tree,

[00:20:00] you got it home Depot, you know, in the nursery department, you plant

[00:20:04] a little tree and it's like two feet.

[00:20:06] And you put the little water system, the little drip on it and the

[00:20:10] little drip is dripping its water.

[00:20:11] Right?

[00:20:12] Well, and the tree grows and grows and now it's this huge lemon tree,

[00:20:18] but the water cannot stay the same.

[00:20:22] That little drip cannot sustain this big tree.

[00:20:26] Right.

[00:20:27] What I realized was, and this is so not talked about in society, but it is a

[00:20:35] belief that I have is that when our spiritual self is broken or fractured,

[00:20:40] the rest of our life is, it's the thing that it creates stability.

[00:20:46] I think people have money creates stability or the home you live in

[00:20:51] creates stability.

[00:20:52] Right.

[00:20:52] Spouse creates stability.

[00:20:54] Whenever idle, insert idle here.

[00:20:55] Right?

[00:20:56] Yeah.

[00:20:57] External thing, right?

[00:20:59] What creates stability is God.

[00:21:03] And what I realized is a little drip of water, a little drip of God on Sunday

[00:21:10] was not sustaining this life I was building.

[00:21:13] I was building a big business.

[00:21:16] I'm becoming a speaker.

[00:21:17] I'm becoming a leader.

[00:21:19] I'm going to get married, have children, right?

[00:21:22] Like we grow.

[00:21:24] We are this big tree and we have fruit, right?

[00:21:28] Well, we can't have that little bit of God, little drip that we had years ago.

[00:21:36] So as we grow in our business, as a leader, as a father, as a mother,

[00:21:41] and we have all of these expectations and these things in our life, we

[00:21:46] need a lot more nourishment.

[00:21:48] And when I realized that I was like, Oh, I need Jesus every day.

[00:21:54] I need a structure and I'm a systems.

[00:21:57] You know, one of the things I coach people in is systems and

[00:21:59] structures in their business.

[00:22:01] And so I kind of think like that.

[00:22:03] And I thought, Oh, you know what I need?

[00:22:05] I need a structure.

[00:22:07] I need a daily structure where I'm getting more God, more God.

[00:22:12] Like more cowbell, more cowbell.

[00:22:14] More cowbell.

[00:22:16] Right?

[00:22:16] More God.

[00:22:17] More cowbell.

[00:22:18] I got a fever and the only prescription is more system.

[00:22:24] So that's, that's what I realized.

[00:22:26] And I was like, I need more God every day.

[00:22:29] And that once I created that structure, Oh my gosh.

[00:22:34] I mean, every everything.

[00:22:36] Cause now the tree is getting enough nourishment and it's not

[00:22:40] like dying on the vine, right?

[00:22:43] Exactly.

[00:22:43] Cause it's overgrowth.

[00:22:44] You know, Paul talks about, you know, like infants who crave spiritual

[00:22:48] milk and, and we want to move on to some meat, right?

[00:22:52] We say a lot of times, well, I don't know if we can move on to some

[00:22:53] spiritual meat it's like, you know, I think we can sit and you talk about,

[00:22:57] um, well, here we go.

[00:22:59] Gifting, right?

[00:23:01] So you look at a lot of churches and based on the gift sets of

[00:23:04] the leadership in the church, if you're not careful, you end up kind

[00:23:07] of that top heavy or bottom heavy or side heavy or whatever.

[00:23:11] And maybe for maybe the guys gifted in evangelism.

[00:23:13] And so you have this, this huge front board where people are

[00:23:16] just pouring into hear the gospel, but then they all just stay there

[00:23:19] drinking milk because you don't have maybe a good teacher or

[00:23:22] disciple that's going to take them deeper into, you know, deeper

[00:23:27] things of faith.

[00:23:28] And while it's wonderful to have more people in heaven with us, right?

[00:23:33] There's a lot that gets missed out on without that depth of faith

[00:23:38] and without those roots to take your analogy a little further

[00:23:41] without those roots going further.

[00:23:42] Right.

[00:23:43] And so that system puts more sprinkler heads or drip, drip lines around the

[00:23:49] tree for God to be able to then pour more water into and, you know, you

[00:23:54] go back to the marriage illustration and say, if I were to, you know,

[00:23:58] get married and then, you know, check out and, and just, you know,

[00:24:03] once a week, sit down and have dinner with my wife and just have this

[00:24:09] great emotional experience and, oh my goodness, the week without you.

[00:24:13] Oh, you know, oh, I love you so much.

[00:24:15] And, oh, you know, oh, and here's some flowers and, and that was it

[00:24:19] until the next week, like my marriage would fall apart like in days.

[00:24:24] Right.

[00:24:25] Because there's not this and, and, and sometimes that's difficult.

[00:24:29] Like, like here, redeemed roofing and exteriors, right?

[00:24:31] This is our busy season where West Michigan, you can only roof,

[00:24:34] but, you know, for the most part, you can, you know, you're limited

[00:24:38] as far as weather is concerned.

[00:24:40] And so it's a really busy time at 50, 60 hours a week.

[00:24:43] Well, if I don't intentionally have a system, you know, Monday nights

[00:24:47] is daddy night with the boys and, and, you know, Wednesday night is this

[00:24:51] and Saturday afternoon is this.

[00:24:53] And so I, if I don't have a system in place, does it mean I'm

[00:24:56] not going to be able to relate?

[00:24:57] Well, no, but the system definitely helps in terms of being able to

[00:25:03] relate with my family and that same works.

[00:25:07] If you, if you just trades for that over into your relationship with God,

[00:25:10] it's like, if, if we, if we like, it's stupid, we're like, well,

[00:25:14] that'd be stupid to sit down with your wife once a week.

[00:25:17] You're married.

[00:25:17] Yes.

[00:25:17] Every, nobody would be like, well, you could do it.

[00:25:20] No.

[00:25:20] But when we approach God who compare him, who himself compared it to

[00:25:24] marriage, we were like, oh yeah, that's fine.

[00:25:27] It's like there's a disconnect.

[00:25:29] Yeah.

[00:25:30] So, so you, okay.

[00:25:32] So you were in the restaurant industry and then you left that

[00:25:36] and started your own business.

[00:25:38] Um, what?

[00:25:42] What, what you're 21, wait, 21 at the time?

[00:25:44] Yeah.

[00:25:45] Uh, well I was 21 when I moved to New York, 24 when I started my own business.

[00:25:49] So you just like, I'm tired of the restaurant thing.

[00:25:51] I'm going to go paint.

[00:25:53] Like, what did you, what did you go with that?

[00:25:56] No, there was a little bit of a bridge there.

[00:25:58] Um, restaurant industry for five years.

[00:26:01] Um, lots of training and development.

[00:26:03] I always became the trainer of the employees and, um, yeah.

[00:26:07] So I, that's what got me into again, that training and development.

[00:26:13] So I was in charge of training 300 of the front of the house, um, uh,

[00:26:18] employees and opening new restaurants.

[00:26:21] So the system structures, training, development, uh, was planning that seed.

[00:26:26] And then I, I quit that.

[00:26:29] And really what I went back to as my gifting is storytelling, helping people

[00:26:36] get their story out in the world.

[00:26:39] I do think our story is, you know, that's the beautiful part of podcasting

[00:26:44] is stories, right?

[00:26:46] Um, so I thought I'm going to go work for a marketing agency because I

[00:26:51] think that is that marketing is telling people's stories around the world.

[00:26:56] So you're on marketing.

[00:26:57] So I bridged, um, at 22 and went and worked for them for two years

[00:27:02] in the entertainment industry.

[00:27:04] And what I saw was huge opportunity and huge amounts of clients

[00:27:10] that weren't being served.

[00:27:12] And one thing I have an eye for is opportunity.

[00:27:16] And I just thought, uh, uh, I'm jumping.

[00:27:20] And I'm not scared of, I am not scared of risk.

[00:27:23] And I said, you know what?

[00:27:25] I, I'm going to go after these three people as my first clients and, uh,

[00:27:30] boom, got them.

[00:27:32] Cause why not?

[00:27:33] Duh, I'm going and, uh, and you have to trust God.

[00:27:37] You have to trust yourself.

[00:27:38] Those there it's not, it's still scary moments, but you step into your

[00:27:42] courage and listen to your greatness instead of that smallness

[00:27:46] that is just fear and doubt.

[00:27:48] And, um, and I said, yes, I'm going.

[00:27:51] And, uh, so it began that yarn marketing agency that then, um, you

[00:27:58] know, what happened there, the biggest entrepreneur mistake I made was

[00:28:04] gold, write this down for us.

[00:28:05] Here we go.

[00:28:06] Once I, once I jumped in to my own business, I drank the entrepreneur

[00:28:14] Kool-Aid that said 24 seven hustle.

[00:28:19] Oh yeah.

[00:28:20] It's the worst Kool-Aid you can drink.

[00:28:23] It's such a lie and it's such an illusion and that you can't be a

[00:28:28] success and you can't get to your finish line unless you kill yourself to do it.

[00:28:33] And I drank that, uh, Kool-Aid and three years later, I had the minor stroke.

[00:28:39] And why, why do you think people, why do you think people think that like what,

[00:28:46] what, what would cause something to be like, Oh, I'm going to bury myself in

[00:28:49] this for 24 hours a day, seven days a week for the next five years and

[00:28:53] then I'll be done.

[00:28:54] Why do you think people do that?

[00:28:57] I think they do it because they see everyone else.

[00:29:00] It's a little bit of keep up with the Joneses in your personal, but

[00:29:05] also in our career, you know, it's like.

[00:29:08] If I'm a guy and my two friends just got a promotion, I'm going to be like,

[00:29:13] I need, I need to get my next promotion.

[00:29:15] Right?

[00:29:15] There's something about comparison for the good and comparison for the bad.

[00:29:21] And I think in the entrepreneur world, I think we see other people hustling.

[00:29:27] It's like, Oh, I'm in the wrong race.

[00:29:30] I need to be in that race and just, right.

[00:29:34] Yeah.

[00:29:35] And they jumped onto that ship.

[00:29:36] I wonder if it's not, you know, back in my Amway days, we, we had a guy that,

[00:29:43] um, that used to talk about microwave mentality and he was, he was kind of one

[00:29:48] of the trends that he was the age where he transitioned as a, as a, uh,

[00:29:53] early teenager from no microwave to microwave and use that if you wanted

[00:29:57] something, you had to boil water and you had to wait 15 minutes, like

[00:30:00] 15 minutes really, are you really freaking out about fits?

[00:30:03] But then when you get a microwave, now you have something in a minute and a half.

[00:30:07] And so now you're no longer satisfied with waiting.

[00:30:11] And so you want, you know, my father in law says anything worth

[00:30:15] doing is worth doing now.

[00:30:17] Or no, we're doing fast.

[00:30:18] Anything we're doing is worth doing fast.

[00:30:20] And, and, um, he doesn't live by that per se and it's that I don't

[00:30:25] want to paint him a bad light, but ultimately we have this, I think

[00:30:30] this microwave mentality where, okay, I want to be financially independent.

[00:30:35] And that's going to take this level of income or this amount of debt being,

[00:30:42] you know, Dave Ramsey talks about gives that intensity, right?

[00:30:45] I can't, I have this pain of can't, can't pay my bills, don't enjoy my job,

[00:30:50] whatever, and I can't wait to get that stopped.

[00:30:54] So the harder I work, the faster I work.

[00:30:57] The faster I'll get there.

[00:30:58] The faster everything.

[00:30:59] And in some cases, you know, getting out of debt.

[00:31:02] Right.

[00:31:02] Hey, there's, there's something to that.

[00:31:05] Yeah.

[00:31:05] Now, but then you lose sight of God's provision.

[00:31:12] Yeah.

[00:31:12] You lose sight of what else Don has for him.

[00:31:15] Cause if all you're doing is focusing laser focused on this one

[00:31:18] thing, paying off debt or, or reaching that residual income level.

[00:31:23] Right.

[00:31:24] What's well during that time period, what if Gaara put somebody

[00:31:28] in front of you that, that needs to hear the gospel needs to be ministered to.

[00:31:32] I was, I was went to look at a roof of, I don't know, a couple of weeks ago.

[00:31:37] And I got there and I might've told this story already in the podcast last

[00:31:41] time, but I got there and the woman came out of the house and she had

[00:31:47] tears in her eyes and I was like, Oh goodness, what am I walking into?

[00:31:50] And you know, if I had been trying to sell the roof and get the next deal,

[00:31:54] I had another appointment to get to, but I found out that she had just

[00:31:58] received the phone call that her stepdad had died.

[00:32:01] And so, you know, praise God that he probably would be the Holy

[00:32:05] Spirit for prayer and I went, I prayed, prayed with them, you

[00:32:09] know, just in this, in this, in this tough time and, but if I had been so

[00:32:14] laser focused in Gizelle intensity and I have been that way before, and it

[00:32:18] pains me to think what opportunities did I miss because I was so laser

[00:32:23] focused.

[00:32:24] So, no, I think that's, I think that needs to be said, what you said of

[00:32:28] we bought, we drank the Kool-Aid, we bought into the lie that, you know,

[00:32:32] you have to, you have to hustle back hard.

[00:32:35] So you did that and God kind of said, no, that's not what I want for

[00:32:40] you.

[00:32:42] And you maybe didn't listen.

[00:32:44] And so he told you, partner.

[00:32:48] I call it my blessed interruption.

[00:32:50] You know, what I've learned.

[00:32:52] Yeah.

[00:32:52] What I've learned about hard things, you know, there's, there's no, uh,

[00:32:57] lack of hard things.

[00:32:59] Storms without God will, uh, storms without God will break you and

[00:33:04] storms with God will build you.

[00:33:06] And I just believe that when God is in the middle of your storm, there

[00:33:11] is going to be a lesson.

[00:33:13] There's going to be gold there.

[00:33:14] There is going to be something amazing there for you.

[00:33:17] And I have had a lot of storms, but there's always amazing blessings out of it.

[00:33:25] And my stroke, I do call my blessed interruption and it was a moment of my

[00:33:31] time of my life where I had to take inventory of who I was being, how I

[00:33:37] was leading, what I was doing and what specifically I was doing with my

[00:33:42] gifts.

[00:33:43] He, the biggest lesson that I learned in that time was I kept hearing him say,

[00:33:50] you're using your gifts in the wrong ways.

[00:33:53] I have such other plans for you.

[00:33:56] So out of complete obedience and just really faith, I really realized

[00:34:04] I need to get out of this business.

[00:34:06] But I was 12 27 going on 28.

[00:34:10] I never sold a business before.

[00:34:11] I didn't even have a ton of revenue.

[00:34:14] I had systems, I had three employees.

[00:34:17] We were the only, the magazine division was known because we were the

[00:34:21] only magazine doing what we were doing.

[00:34:23] But it wasn't like, Oh, this is a well established millions of

[00:34:27] dollars in revenue.

[00:34:29] I was thinking, well, I guess I'll just close and listen to God in

[00:34:35] this new direction.

[00:34:37] And by the grace of God.

[00:34:39] Question, question.

[00:34:42] Was where you talk about Broadway and entertainment and New York City.

[00:34:48] And do you feel like any of the clients you had or any of the things

[00:34:54] you were promoting were less than godly?

[00:35:05] Like were you in, you know, was it, was it like Sin City or was it like?

[00:35:09] Oh yeah, no, no.

[00:35:11] It was comedy and dance.

[00:35:13] These were artists and singers and dancers and, uh, off Broadway, off

[00:35:18] off Broadway, um, you know, these were people who were trying to make it

[00:35:23] as actors, producers, theater, you know, and the disconnect was talk about

[00:35:31] connection.

[00:35:31] Disconnection is tourists.

[00:35:33] If you've ever gone to New York, you know, there's millions of

[00:35:35] tourists every, every year.

[00:35:37] And at the time, all they really knew about was Broadway.

[00:35:43] There was really, there was nothing else about other shows.

[00:35:47] If you heard about this side show or this comedy or this dance show or

[00:35:51] whatever, um, you kind of knew about the Rockettes and you knew about

[00:35:55] Broadway.

[00:35:56] And I just thought, Oh my gosh, all these underdogs, all these

[00:36:00] hundreds of characters and producers and shows that need, that need

[00:36:06] someone to believe in them.

[00:36:08] You know, I love underdogs and lifting them and spotlighting them.

[00:36:12] And again, the storytelling of that.

[00:36:14] And I thought I, I, so I, I felt like I did a lot of good and the

[00:36:21] good about that all is in the confusion of what should I do next?

[00:36:27] I got a knock on the door and these two guys said, Hey, we've been

[00:36:32] watching your magazine and there's this thing coming.

[00:36:36] It's called the internet.

[00:36:39] Tating myself.

[00:36:40] Um, and we want to buy your magazine and we want to make it a website

[00:36:46] and we want to go global with it.

[00:36:47] And I thought, Oh my gosh.

[00:36:50] I mean, I, I, you know what Sean, I had disbelief.

[00:36:58] Yeah.

[00:36:58] What do you do in that moment?

[00:37:00] You say, let me think about it.

[00:37:03] And I thought about it.

[00:37:05] I prayed about it and I, and I came back to them and I said, you take the whole

[00:37:09] business, me and the three employees or no deal.

[00:37:13] And this was my transition because I wasn't fully recovered yet.

[00:37:17] I wasn't ready.

[00:37:19] I mean, if I stopped my business right then I had no paycheck.

[00:37:22] I had no revenue and I would put my three people out of business, right.

[00:37:25] Out of their paycheck.

[00:37:27] So for me, it was.

[00:37:29] This could be a beautiful bridge of helping me recover and give me a little

[00:37:36] bit of time about what's next for me.

[00:37:38] Cause I really did not know at the time.

[00:37:40] And so long story short, it was a beautiful thing.

[00:37:44] I sold the business to them.

[00:37:46] They created a website and 20 years later, it is a global success and covers

[00:37:53] all of theater in 10 different markets around the world.

[00:37:57] So God will take your teeny little idea and make it grand.

[00:38:03] And sometimes, you know, I was with them only a year and they, you

[00:38:07] know, we saturated LA and New York with this, and then they took it

[00:38:12] global and has sustained it.

[00:38:13] And it's amazing.

[00:38:15] And what I learned is sometimes your gifts are used for a minute.

[00:38:21] You know, like I wasn't meant to stay on that for 20 years.

[00:38:24] I started it and then someone else nurtured it.

[00:38:27] Right.

[00:38:28] And that's okay.

[00:38:29] And I, I think it was important for me to hear, okay, bless that release

[00:38:34] that I'm going to use your gifts now over here and I think.

[00:38:39] And Dina that, um, I think there's a lot of people out there.

[00:38:46] Like I was, I was working for a company and I had said at one point

[00:38:52] to somebody in passing, I'm more of a starter.

[00:38:55] I'm not so much a finisher.

[00:38:57] And later I had applied for a position.

[00:39:03] I've been like, you know, to, to move up in the company and

[00:39:07] interviewed and they came back and put one of their feedback things was like,

[00:39:11] you know, I remembered when you said you were a starter, not a finisher.

[00:39:16] And I remember looking at that as so much of a, um, like a, like a fault.

[00:39:25] Oh man, I got to learn it.

[00:39:27] And it's here just blowing my mind here because I have stayed to, I was this

[00:39:33] many years old when I came, when I came to the possibility of, Hey,

[00:39:38] maybe that is a gift.

[00:39:41] And so I see here with this roofing company and I go, okay, you know, we

[00:39:44] grew the roofing company and you know, I get bored really easily, but that

[00:39:50] the possibility that God created me that way with a purpose similar to that.

[00:39:57] No, don't, don't worry.

[00:39:58] I mean, unless you want to pay me millions and millions, my roofing

[00:40:01] company is not for sale right now.

[00:40:02] But maybe, maybe it'll, well, there's everything's for sale.

[00:40:08] Well, most things are for sale at some point for the right price, but

[00:40:12] that, but that concept of, you know, the things that, yeah.

[00:40:17] Cause I remember Tim Kimmel, he does parenting, grace-based parenting.

[00:40:21] And we were at a conference, Tim Kimmel and he had said, you know,

[00:40:27] a lot of people look at quotes, disabilities, ADD, right?

[00:40:31] Well, he said, you know what ADD people do really, really well.

[00:40:36] He said, they make great slider pilots.

[00:40:38] Cause you have to be able to switch your attention immediately.

[00:40:42] Oh, there's a guy over here shooting at me.

[00:40:44] You need to be able to break focus from whatever you're doing

[00:40:47] to address that situation.

[00:40:49] He said, so many times we look at faults and disabilities and drawbacks

[00:40:54] the wrong way and that could be a blessing because he's right.

[00:40:58] Yeah.

[00:40:58] That would be a great, that would be a great gift.

[00:41:02] It would be a great gift to have ADD as a fighter pilot.

[00:41:04] So not that you would make it through school, but to get there.

[00:41:08] Well, and that is you listen, there's a pro and a con to everything.

[00:41:14] Right?

[00:41:15] I mean, every gift hat, it does have a con, right?

[00:41:19] But I think that when you see yourself how God sees you and he's

[00:41:26] sitting there going, I put these gifts in you, why are you damning them?

[00:41:31] Why are you shaming them?

[00:41:32] Why are you hiding them?

[00:41:33] And that is, I call it the three G's and I write about this in my book.

[00:41:40] Your God, your greatness and your gifts.

[00:41:43] Those three things no one can take away from you, but it takes you owning them.

[00:41:51] Owning, I mean, owning them.

[00:41:53] And when you do that, instead of hiding them or pretending or suppressing

[00:41:59] them or whatever, owning them and pulling them forward, like the forward focus.

[00:42:06] They change your life.

[00:42:07] Greatness mindset, gifts.

[00:42:09] You have so many gifts, but we don't call a lot of our gifts gifts.

[00:42:16] We sometimes call our gifts a burden or this thing or this quirk.

[00:42:21] Oh, I'm quirky like this.

[00:42:22] It's like, no, no, no, that's not quirky.

[00:42:23] That's your gift.

[00:42:24] Right?

[00:42:25] So it is, um, it's game changing.

[00:42:28] And one of the, you know, one of the gifts that I, I w well, you just

[00:42:32] talked about changing focus.

[00:42:35] I need variety.

[00:42:36] I definitely know that about me.

[00:42:38] And as a coach, I have a coaching and consulting company and people think,

[00:42:43] Oh God, that's kind of boring.

[00:42:45] You're consulting small businesses all day, but here's the thing.

[00:42:48] I have 19 clients in six different time zones that are all different

[00:42:53] businesses.

[00:42:54] So it is so exciting to go from call to call to call because every call is

[00:43:00] so different when, you know, w one's in London with 50 employees and they're

[00:43:07] doing this cool, you know, these cool things.

[00:43:09] And one's in Kansas with 30 employees doing these cool things.

[00:43:14] And it is, I'm a part of all of those teams and it gives me variety.

[00:43:19] It gives me, um, uh, adventure.

[00:43:23] It gives me all the, all the things that that part of my personality needs.

[00:43:28] Right.

[00:43:29] But because I coach in systems structure, I coach in systems and

[00:43:33] structures, sales and mindset.

[00:43:36] And so every client needs some of that or all of that or one of those.

[00:43:41] Right?

[00:43:42] So you can find, you know, when you know something about yourself,

[00:43:47] like I need variety, then that variety doesn't look like in my, in my job.

[00:43:54] It looks like in my clients.

[00:43:56] So I get that variety satiated, you know, and it's why I've been

[00:44:01] doing it 22 years and I love it.

[00:44:05] I love it.

[00:44:06] Right.

[00:44:07] So another gift, here's one thing that, you know, you mentioned a

[00:44:12] little earlier, one of the gifts I didn't see as a gift.

[00:44:17] And it was someone else.

[00:44:18] Sometimes someone else has to say that about you, right?

[00:44:23] Yep.

[00:44:23] Uh, yeah, about six years ago, someone mentioned how I create communities.

[00:44:31] And they're like, Oh gosh, Dina, you are so gifted in creating communities.

[00:44:36] Never did I see that as a gift.

[00:44:40] Then I looked back on my past and I had all of these projects and

[00:44:46] businesses where I created community.

[00:44:49] And sometimes it's 500 people.

[00:44:51] Sometimes it was 2000 people.

[00:44:54] One of the projects was 500,000 people.

[00:44:57] And I was like, I never saw that as a gift.

[00:45:02] And I had to see that as a gift before God called me to writing

[00:45:08] the Bible studies that I'm, I wrote.

[00:45:11] He could not give that assignment to me until I

[00:45:16] realized that one of my gifts was community building because this

[00:45:21] Bible study is based in community building.

[00:45:24] So sometimes just, just know that God knows your gifts, but you got to

[00:45:29] know your gifts because your next assignment depends on it sometimes.

[00:45:34] Not sometimes.

[00:45:35] Sure.

[00:45:35] Sure.

[00:45:36] Exactly.

[00:45:36] I'm just saying sometimes it does.

[00:45:38] So that was a, that was a big realization for me.

[00:45:40] There's somebody to somebody to be able to, and this, this person

[00:45:45] kind of sidetrack here, but this person who shared that with you, is that a

[00:45:50] person who you had been in relationship for quite some time or is that kind

[00:45:54] of a new person you ran into?

[00:45:56] No, I'm not, you know, only a few years, but they knew kind of my,

[00:46:01] my story, the couple communities I bought, I built in New York and then

[00:46:07] the two communities I built once I moved back, I moved back to Phoenix.

[00:46:12] Um, and they just, I think in that moment, they were connecting that

[00:46:16] they're like, you did this and this, and now you did this and this.

[00:46:19] And they're all coming in, like, you know, that you do this really well.

[00:46:22] Like this is a gift of yours.

[00:46:25] How point A goes to point B with you constantly.

[00:46:29] Yeah.

[00:46:29] They were kind of adding that up and I was like, huh.

[00:46:33] How does that?

[00:46:34] You know, it is totally.

[00:46:36] And once I embraced it, oh my gosh.

[00:46:40] Not only did God say, okay, I want to write, I want you to write this.

[00:46:44] This I want you to do community building around the kingdom.

[00:46:49] And it started with that.

[00:46:50] It was just this little seed that he planted about six years ago.

[00:46:55] And then it built and then it built and it got clearer and clearer

[00:46:59] and clearer and two years ago.

[00:47:02] It finally came into fruition that it, it looks like a, um, a living room

[00:47:08] circle, a Bible study called happy hour with Jesus.

[00:47:12] And, but I, it took a little bit to get that clarity and then I got the

[00:47:18] clarity and then I started writing it and it's launching this fall.

[00:47:22] And it is.

[00:47:24] It is totally based in the assignment God gave me the gifts that God gave me.

[00:47:29] Right.

[00:47:30] And it's all about helping so much full circle in this conversation.

[00:47:34] It's all about helping people reconnect to God.

[00:47:39] Eight minutes a day, which equals the hour.

[00:47:41] So, so it's eight minutes a day Bible study you can do alone or you

[00:47:48] could do it with friends in your living room, create a little living

[00:47:51] room circle is what I call it.

[00:47:54] And the happiest hour of your week is with Jesus and it's eight

[00:47:57] minutes a day equals that hour.

[00:47:59] Okay.

[00:47:59] Goes back to the lesson that I had to learn that you need Jesus every day.

[00:48:04] It doesn't have to look like two hours or 30 minutes.

[00:48:07] It can look like eight minutes a day and your life will totally change.

[00:48:13] Oh, absolutely.

[00:48:15] You know, I can, I can look at the times in my life where I felt the

[00:48:19] most useful in God's service, the most, um, the strongest against sin

[00:48:25] in my life, right.

[00:48:27] The strongest against temptation.

[00:48:29] Um, that I had the most opportunities to present the gospel and people

[00:48:35] responding to that were the times where I was more intentional with the small

[00:48:43] moments with God of, you know, lately it's been the verse of the day.

[00:48:49] When I wake up in the morning, a new version Bible app puts out a verse

[00:48:52] of the day.

[00:48:53] And, you know, lately that's just kind of been my thing to just kind of

[00:48:57] meditate on that and pray through that.

[00:48:59] And, you know, mine, my, my, my time of God shift.

[00:49:04] Sometimes it's I get into a season of echo through season.

[00:49:08] Sometimes I get into a season of, you know, talking through things,

[00:49:12] wrestling through things with, with other good men in God, but, you

[00:49:16] know, hold me accountable or challenge me and we, you know, we dig

[00:49:19] in through that.

[00:49:20] Sometimes it's through my preaching and studying, you know, preparing

[00:49:24] for the next sermon.

[00:49:25] And so, you know, in all of those ways, but, but the times where I feel

[00:49:29] most effective and most blessed and most fulfilled are those times when

[00:49:34] it is the simple drip, right?

[00:49:37] Again, full circle, but the simple drips, um, that are then backed

[00:49:43] up by the bigger, you know, rainstorms, uh, yeah, jumping into,

[00:49:49] connecting at church and, and, you know, all of these kinds of things, doing

[00:49:52] a, doing a Christian podcast and talking with Christian business owners,

[00:49:55] all that kind of stuff.

[00:49:57] Um, and so I totally hear you there.

[00:50:00] Talk to me, give you, give you a chance here to kind of talk about

[00:50:02] that Bible study a little bit.

[00:50:04] Uh, and you have done some, what, what's the name of that Bible study is?

[00:50:09] Happy hour with Jesus.

[00:50:11] Happy hour with Jesus.

[00:50:13] Is our, what is our, what?

[00:50:14] Okay.

[00:50:15] And we'll get some of these details to put in the episode description.

[00:50:18] So if you're like, Hey, that sounds like something that might bless me.

[00:50:21] Check out the episode description and it will have that link in there.

[00:50:26] And then, so you, so like six years ago, you got into kind of that shift

[00:50:32] and creating that community and it came into, so let me back up.

[00:50:36] You kind of sold the marketing agency.

[00:50:40] Yep.

[00:50:41] That blew up like in a good way, blew up and went global.

[00:50:45] You left after a year and twiddled your thumbs or what, what happened?

[00:50:50] Started this started this business, Deena Patton coaching and training

[00:50:54] and coach small business owners.

[00:50:57] And, um, help them be the health, help small business owners become great

[00:51:04] leaders who are building great companies.

[00:51:06] And, um, and so I have been coaching small business owners for 22 years.

[00:51:12] That is my company, my blessing, my revenue and my main business.

[00:51:18] And then six years ago is when God said, um, I want you to do

[00:51:23] something for the kingdom and started this journey of the Bible study.

[00:51:28] Um, but also he, he put something on my heart that, um, many years

[00:51:34] ago around girls and you mentioned it in my bio, um, a few of my

[00:51:40] friends and I looked around at the state of girls, uh, tween and teen

[00:51:44] girls, middle school and high school girls.

[00:51:47] It is, um, it, the, the, it is hard to be, it's a hard being a kid.

[00:51:54] Uh, these days, right?

[00:51:55] But, um, what we see is that girls needed a lot more intentional

[00:52:03] training and development around self-esteem, financial literacy, like

[00:52:08] really being empowered around earning money, saving money, budgeting

[00:52:12] money, managing money and asking for money.

[00:52:16] Um, and then third is leadership.

[00:52:18] We have 12 leadership principles.

[00:52:19] So we started the girls rule foundation and it's empowerment and

[00:52:23] leadership programs for teen girls and helping them navigate being

[00:52:27] a teen and becoming a leader.

[00:52:29] So we want to get them through high school into college and, and

[00:52:33] become leaders of the next generation, but you have to put tools

[00:52:37] on your tool belt to do that.

[00:52:39] And we saw a huge missing opportunity in that age range specifically for

[00:52:45] girls and especially for girls who, you know, you get a little bit of

[00:52:50] that if you're in sports, but again, intentional training and development.

[00:52:56] So we have incredible, we have a nationwide, uh, afterschool club

[00:53:00] for middle school and high school girls.

[00:53:02] Yeah.

[00:53:03] Called dream lab.

[00:53:04] Anybody can start it in their school.

[00:53:06] And then we have a summer camp happening that happens every summer here

[00:53:11] in Arizona and girls fly around the country to come to that.

[00:53:15] So those, and those ones that like afterschool programs,

[00:53:20] those are faith-based.

[00:53:22] They are not faith-based because we couldn't have, because you

[00:53:26] wanted to get into the school.

[00:53:27] Yeah.

[00:53:28] If we got you.

[00:53:29] Yeah.

[00:53:30] So we do a lot of speaking in schools, um, also, and, um, to have our after

[00:53:35] school club and be speak, you can't be faith-based.

[00:53:39] So we decided not.

[00:53:40] Do you have, have the people that are running these things?

[00:53:45] Do they get that connotation?

[00:53:46] And most of them are people of faith or you get a pretty big mix?

[00:53:53] Um, it, you know, our afterschool club, we have teachers, parents,

[00:53:57] principals, and schools buying that leader kit and starting those in their,

[00:54:02] in their schools.

[00:54:03] They are all the, the thread that we see is the people who buy that

[00:54:09] afterschool club have a passion to make a difference for girls.

[00:54:13] They know that seventh, eighth, ninth, 10th, 11th, 12th grade girls

[00:54:18] are navigating really hard decisions.

[00:54:22] And now they have phone addictions and social media addictions, and

[00:54:25] they are comparing themselves.

[00:54:27] It's hard as, you know, like we were saying, as entrepreneurs, as adults,

[00:54:32] we compare ourselves all the time to people, but we have discernment and

[00:54:37] we have a fully, uh, grown brain to, to navigate that at 14 and 16.

[00:54:47] You don't have that.

[00:54:48] You just have, oh gosh, she is skinnier than me or prettier than me,

[00:54:53] or she has these brands or she has this and I don't, and I suck.

[00:54:57] And the self esteem and the suicide rate, the dropout, the drugs,

[00:55:04] a teen pregnancy, you know, they start coping with sex.

[00:55:07] They start coping with drugs, alcohol.

[00:55:09] So it is only getting worse, not better.

[00:55:13] Well, and you look at, you know, you look at fatherless homes

[00:55:17] and what that means for a mom trying to, now mom can't be a full mom

[00:55:22] to her daughter.

[00:55:24] And so she's trying to learn what it means to be a woman.

[00:55:27] And now just all of this, and now a guy shows up who fills that daddy

[00:55:31] role and now all of a sudden she's pregnant.

[00:55:33] It just, absolutely.

[00:55:35] So there, yeah, we, I mean, we have a, we have a youth crisis.

[00:55:38] A buddy and I, for talking about this just this morning,

[00:55:41] we have a youth crisis.

[00:55:42] And, um, so, but you're able to get into the schools.

[00:55:46] And so based on what you're talking about, I'm sure that there's a

[00:55:50] high percentage of, of people who are Christians, who are participating

[00:55:55] in that, uh, in that organization.

[00:55:59] And so again, we'll have, uh, you know, information on that.

[00:56:02] So that, that system is a, a school can kind of purchase kind of a program.

[00:56:09] And then do like you train their leaders and then you start this

[00:56:13] program, what would the, give me the, give me the, give me the two

[00:56:17] minute version of what that looks like.

[00:56:19] If school would want to do that kind of program.

[00:56:21] I'll give you the one minute version.

[00:56:25] Go to girls rule foundation.org and click on dream lab after school

[00:56:32] program, and you'll learn all about the, the, the principles and, and

[00:56:37] what we do in that program.

[00:56:39] The outcomes you buy the leader kit for $269 either a middle school

[00:56:44] leader, kid or high school.

[00:56:46] You need an adult sponsor.

[00:56:48] So you're a parent or you're a teacher or principal.

[00:56:52] You need an adult sponsor that is going to go to all 13 of their meetings with them.

[00:56:57] And then you promote it to the girls.

[00:56:59] You get your group of girls.

[00:57:00] Some groups are small, like eight to 10, some are bigger 20 to 30.

[00:57:04] And it's an afterschool club just like everybody else.

[00:57:07] And it is based in our 12 leadership principles.

[00:57:10] I speak around the country to a lot of churches and a lot of, um, faith

[00:57:14] based people and so, so, and they get active at, they're like, I want to

[00:57:19] start one of these in my daughter's school.

[00:57:21] Right?

[00:57:22] So a parent can be it or a teacher or a principal.

[00:57:25] Um, and here's the beautiful part.

[00:57:29] There is no training.

[00:57:30] Everything is done for you.

[00:57:32] You literally re we give you the slide deck and the directions.

[00:57:38] You and two girls, you choose two girls to be the leaders of the club.

[00:57:42] And between you, the adult sponsor and your two girls, all you do is read.

[00:57:47] You have 13 meetings.

[00:57:49] There's 13 modules.

[00:57:51] Everything is made for you.

[00:57:53] All you have to do is read through it.

[00:57:55] They work on their dreams.

[00:57:57] They learn 12 leadership principles and they do a community project, a

[00:58:02] community service project altogether, which is life changing.

[00:58:06] So all of it is in there.

[00:58:08] They can literally download it on our website, um, and start their club.

[00:58:13] A few days later, summer year.

[00:58:17] They become a facilitator.

[00:58:18] Yep.

[00:58:19] So you just, and so they purchased this program and they purchase it one time.

[00:58:27] Yep.

[00:58:27] And that, yeah.

[00:58:30] Wow.

[00:58:30] Yeah.

[00:58:31] We'll put that in the description for any of you who are interested in that.

[00:58:33] We wanted it to be very easy.

[00:58:36] No barrier.

[00:58:37] It is our, we created it because for 10 years, all of our programs were live.

[00:58:43] You had to be in the room, you know, workshop style.

[00:58:47] And what we realized is we had all these schools and parents and aunts

[00:58:53] and grandmas calling going, I heard about this program.

[00:58:55] Can I have it in Wichita?

[00:58:57] In Miami, in New York.

[00:59:00] And we're like, no, we come to Arizona.

[00:59:03] So it took us about a year to put the curriculum in a kit, get it simple

[00:59:10] and for them to facilitate and now schools across the, and churches,

[00:59:16] groups, community centers, teams, and schools buy it.

[00:59:21] You don't have to be a school.

[00:59:22] You can be anybody.

[00:59:23] So somebody, somebody knocked on your door and said, Hey, there's

[00:59:27] this thing called the internet.

[00:59:28] And yeah, again.

[00:59:31] Yeah.

[00:59:31] So I want to, yeah, we'll definitely get the information on that in the description.

[00:59:36] I want to back up to your coaching business and I want to talk to you

[00:59:41] about, cause you know, gifting is your really big, a really big thing for you.

[00:59:46] And we got a lot of, you know, young business owners, young, the business

[00:59:50] is young, but you know, more business owners listening and trying to figure

[00:59:55] things out and I was just talking to a guy this morning who was actually

[01:00:00] one of the guys as inspiration for the podcast, but I was just talking

[01:00:04] to him this morning about, you know, where, where, where he feels his biggest

[01:00:08] gifting is and he's a contractor and he was kind of like, you know, I'm

[01:00:13] really good with a hammer in my hand.

[01:00:15] Well running a business, you know, operating on that gifting principle.

[01:00:23] Where do you, where do you typically mean that if a person's

[01:00:27] gifting is not running a business, just from a general standpoint, I mean,

[01:00:33] obviously everything's different, but where do you go with that if a person's

[01:00:37] gift is not running a business, but they are.

[01:00:42] But they are.

[01:00:43] Um, funny you say that.

[01:00:46] I have a couple of clients that, um, you know, here's the thing.

[01:00:50] We're so, we're so brilliant at the thing that we do, right?

[01:00:54] You might be building roofs.

[01:00:57] You might be a, right.

[01:00:59] Anything.

[01:01:00] Um, that thing is your brilliant lane.

[01:01:04] Usually running a business is not, um, I have seen it's its own gift.

[01:01:10] It, yeah, it is its own gift.

[01:01:13] Here's the thing is that is the power of systems is a system

[01:01:19] can solve a lot of problems.

[01:01:22] Admin systems, you know, a lot of people fail at managing their admin pieces.

[01:01:29] It's it's so detail oriented and it's, it's not fun.

[01:01:34] It's, you know, all the things that they're not.

[01:01:37] And so they avoid it or don't do it well.

[01:01:40] And then they're late for appointments or they drop the ball.

[01:01:43] They don't follow up.

[01:01:44] They don't all that stuff gets ignored, right?

[01:01:49] And all of a sudden you have clients that are mad, right?

[01:01:53] And they are, they're putting bad reviews or they're

[01:01:57] don't know anything about this.

[01:01:59] This is foreign to me.

[01:02:00] This is incredibly foreign to me, Dina.

[01:02:02] I don't know what you're talking about.

[01:02:04] Entrepreneur says the sales guy who runs a roof until buddy.

[01:02:09] Yeah, it is.

[01:02:10] It's a thing, you know, with entrepreneurship, there's a lot of

[01:02:14] unfun things about running a business.

[01:02:17] And that is power admin systems, sales systems, onboarding systems,

[01:02:22] follow-up systems, because it becomes the muscle memory of your business.

[01:02:28] And it doesn't land on you.

[01:02:30] That's one benefit to once you have a system for something, you can delegate it.

[01:02:36] You don't have a system and the thing lives in your head.

[01:02:40] It's very hard to delegate to something, something to someone.

[01:02:44] Right?

[01:02:45] So we want to write down here's our calendar, how we manage our calendar.

[01:02:50] This is how we book a client.

[01:02:52] This is how we onboard a client or off board a client.

[01:02:56] Right.

[01:02:57] There's so many nuance things that somewhat of VA virtual assistant

[01:03:03] or an assistant can do, it should not be doing.

[01:03:07] If you are the business owner, the number one lane you need to live in is RGA

[01:03:13] revenue generating activities.

[01:03:16] The second lane is vision and values, making sure that your business is rooted

[01:03:22] in that greatness and that purpose, vision, values, and that that becomes

[01:03:29] you and your leadership and it becomes in your culture and your people.

[01:03:34] If you don't get that lane right, your culture is going to be a mess.

[01:03:38] Your people are going to be a mess.

[01:03:39] There's not going to be direction.

[01:03:41] You're going to get derailed and then you're going to be exhausted.

[01:03:45] You know, untreated overwhelmed becomes burnout and burnout is

[01:03:49] a real thing for entrepreneurship.

[01:03:51] So, so systems, systems are a thing that, you know, that's one of my,

[01:03:56] again, I didn't used to call that a gift.

[01:03:59] It is a total gift that I have owned and I, it's probably the number one thing

[01:04:06] that most people come for me and just say, oh my gosh, my admin is just,

[01:04:10] it's a mess, you know, or my sales are a mess.

[01:04:13] So I mean, I worked with a $30 million company who didn't

[01:04:17] have a sales company, didn't have a sales system.

[01:04:21] I want you to get, if you're sitting there and you have a $50,000

[01:04:24] or a $100,000 business and you think everybody above a million has

[01:04:30] everything figured out.

[01:04:31] I have been doing this 22 years.

[01:04:34] They don't.

[01:04:34] 16% of my clients are a million to a hundred million.

[01:04:39] They do not have everything figured out.

[01:04:41] They have just as many pain points and fires as you do.

[01:04:45] They're just bigger.

[01:04:46] Right, right.

[01:04:48] But I've seen a few, you know, bigger companies, 20, 30 million.

[01:04:52] They do, they're winging their sales.

[01:04:54] They do not have a sales system.

[01:04:58] So I'm just, I think we can get in our head of like, Oh my gosh, I suck.

[01:05:03] I'm so bad at this.

[01:05:05] I should go, I should close this business.

[01:05:07] No, you just figure it out.

[01:05:10] You figure out the system or the person you need to hire.

[01:05:13] We all have to figure it out and put God right in the middle and pray on

[01:05:19] your company for your clients, for your future clients and for yourself every day.

[01:05:28] I think that, you know, going back to structured time of God and

[01:05:35] a system in place for God, I think that's where a lot of people in burnout.

[01:05:40] I think that's one of the first things to go.

[01:05:43] Do you, do you, do you see that a pattern there?

[01:05:46] Yeah.

[01:05:47] Okay.

[01:05:48] Yeah.

[01:05:48] And what, um, yeah, speak to that for a minute.

[01:05:52] Yeah.

[01:05:53] So, uh, it's funny that you asked that because, um, I was at an event on Monday

[01:05:59] night and we were talking about that.

[01:06:01] How, you know, as a business owner, you're trying to grow your business,

[01:06:06] especially if you have employees, you have the pressure of payroll.

[01:06:09] You're trying to keep the sales coming in, keep everybody happy, build culture.

[01:06:15] Um, oh yeah.

[01:06:16] And you're married.

[01:06:17] Keep, keep married.

[01:06:19] Oh yeah.

[01:06:19] You're a dad or you're a mom.

[01:06:21] Oh, connect with your kids.

[01:06:22] Right.

[01:06:23] And what often goes is collectively what I call it is your CEO self care.

[01:06:30] So it's four tanks.

[01:06:32] If you want to imagine your back having, you know, those tanks that, uh,

[01:06:36] the air tanks when you go scuba diving, but four of those, you have

[01:06:40] the emotional tank, mental tank, physical tank and spiritual tank.

[01:06:45] Those tanks get used and drained every day.

[01:06:50] It's up to us to refuel them on the daily.

[01:06:54] So you might have a really hard emotional day and that tank is all the way down.

[01:07:00] How are you going to refill and refuel that emotional tank?

[01:07:04] You got to know that you can't just wing your CEO self care.

[01:07:09] I'm telling you, it will put you in the grave death.

[01:07:13] It will bring disease or it will bring divorce.

[01:07:17] No, a stroke.

[01:07:18] Okay.

[01:07:18] Or stroke.

[01:07:19] I'm, I am, I am the first to admit I had none of it.

[01:07:24] Right.

[01:07:24] Right.

[01:07:25] So, um, actually if you put in the notes, uh, in the show

[01:07:29] notes, amazing greatness.com, there is a free CEO self care template there.

[01:07:36] You can download and create your own CEO self care.

[01:07:40] This is how much I, the number one takeaway, I hope, I mean,

[01:07:45] there hopefully there's more takeaways.

[01:07:47] Sure.

[01:07:47] Sure.

[01:07:47] But you miss everything else.

[01:07:49] Major because most entrepreneurs, like I did, they're putting themselves

[01:07:54] in the grave and they don't even know it by not recognizing

[01:08:00] the four tanks on their back.

[01:08:02] You've got to refuel your spiritual self, emotional self, mental

[01:08:07] self and physical self, at least on the weekly, if not on the daily.

[01:08:12] Right.

[01:08:12] Let's start with the weekly first.

[01:08:14] Well, let's just wait, let's swim for the slow pitch right now.

[01:08:18] And we'll build daily.

[01:08:19] Right.

[01:08:19] We get a couple of monthly guys out there.

[01:08:23] So, you know what?

[01:08:24] Listen, start where you start, where you are, you're totally broken

[01:08:28] spiritually, start monthly and then build to weekly and then build to

[01:08:33] daily, right?

[01:08:35] Don't shame your behavior.

[01:08:37] We got to love ourselves in the transformation in the new habits that

[01:08:42] we create.

[01:08:44] And that's why I give that template is tell yourself today, I'm going

[01:08:51] to stop playing a smallness game in my CEO self care and I'm going to

[01:08:56] start really playing a greatness game and being intentional and responsible

[01:09:02] around these four tanks.

[01:09:04] They matter.

[01:09:05] It's a really big part of being a great CEO.

[01:09:09] Right.

[01:09:09] I think you touched on something there and having grace for yourself.

[01:09:14] And I think, I think in this, in the dog eat dog world, right?

[01:09:21] In the keeping up with the Joneses, I think that we get a sense of,

[01:09:28] you know, we're a lot of type A people and perfectionists and whatnot.

[01:09:32] And I think we just, we miss grace, right?

[01:09:36] I remember being at a, um, talking with a psychologist and they said, you

[01:09:41] know, uh, Paul would open a lot of his letters and say grace to you.

[01:09:46] And he said, sometimes we need to open letters to ourselves and say,

[01:09:51] Hey, grace to you.

[01:09:52] Yeah.

[01:09:53] You know, um, in, in, in a stiff of all, cause you know, baby in

[01:09:57] bath water rate, the world right now is sometimes offering themselves

[01:10:01] a little too much grace.

[01:10:02] Like, well, you know, Oh, be who you are.

[01:10:06] And no, just be yourself.

[01:10:07] Well, no, no, be, be Jesus, but have grace for yourself as you try to be

[01:10:11] like, Jesus, um, so, you know, kind of navigating the new boxes there.

[01:10:17] Uh, yes.

[01:10:18] I mean, there is, like you said, you've got to do CEO self care,

[01:10:21] but you know what, if you miss it, don't, don't beat the

[01:10:26] snot out of yourself because you're.

[01:10:28] Yeah.

[01:10:29] So no, I get that.

[01:10:31] Um, you were, there was something else that I wanted to go back

[01:10:33] to that you had said, um, that was.

[01:10:39] Oh no, that was it.

[01:10:40] I took, I took care of that.

[01:10:41] So, so now you're, so you're consulting and that's kind of

[01:10:45] your, your main squeeze right now.

[01:10:47] You are kind of directing this five or one C three.

[01:10:51] And are you, is this Bible study kind of an ongoing thing where

[01:10:56] you put out a new one every little bit, or is it like, no,

[01:10:58] this is what it is.

[01:10:59] Go ahead.

[01:11:00] So it will be a new, so the each Bible study is on one book of the Bible.

[01:11:06] So acts, John, Lou Romans.

[01:11:10] Um, yeah.

[01:11:11] So we, uh, we release one per month.

[01:11:16] So the first one will, uh, release as acts actually, which is the

[01:11:21] book that really inspired that it, it, like I said, the seed was there,

[01:11:26] but that book is the thing that I just got so moved and inspired by that book.

[01:11:33] That I, wait a minute now.

[01:11:34] Wait, wait a minute.

[01:11:35] You, why didn't you lead with this?

[01:11:38] Wait a minute.

[01:11:39] You got inspired by the book of acts.

[01:11:41] We inspired for the Bible study by the book of acts.

[01:11:44] Okay.

[01:11:44] All right.

[01:11:45] So I don't know what your timeframe looks like.

[01:11:47] I know we had some rough start here with our new software, but, um,

[01:11:50] if you've got some time, I, I, yeah.

[01:11:53] Can you share that with us?

[01:11:55] Uh, I, I mean, I just feel like the book of acts, if you have not read that book.

[01:12:03] It's, um, a lot of people don't actually read a book and, and, you

[01:12:10] know, we read a passage, we read a page, but my encouragement, and which

[01:12:14] is why this Bible study is a book at a time.

[01:12:19] So, um, the, the book of acts inspired me because it just is

[01:12:25] the, the level of faith, um, that they had to have.

[01:12:31] I mean, it's a couple guides after Jesus died.

[01:12:36] I mean, it, it just, it really illuminates the power of one,

[01:12:42] one person that said, I'm going out.

[01:12:45] I'm, I'm spreading the news, right?

[01:12:48] And, um, it wasn't hundreds of people.

[01:12:51] It was a couple people.

[01:12:53] And we are those couple people.

[01:12:56] Right?

[01:12:56] So you doing a living room club with eight people, you know, reading the

[01:13:01] book of acts, getting together every other week will change your life.

[01:13:07] And because we, we become disciples and that there's just no, no other

[01:13:14] book in the, in the Bible to me that illuminates the power of one

[01:13:20] person's faith and intention of spreading the news.

[01:13:25] And to me, that is, that's what this, this, this Bible study is.

[01:13:29] It's, Hey, I'm doing a living room club out to five or eight coworkers or

[01:13:34] friends, Hey, you guys want to do the book of acts with me?

[01:13:37] And, uh, and they do it together.

[01:13:40] And I call it a living room circle or small group, right?

[01:13:44] And, um, there's such a power of doing it together and doing one book end to

[01:13:49] end and unpacking it and discussing it along the way.

[01:13:53] So in happy hour with Jesus, it's not.

[01:13:56] Um, curriculum they're not reading writing from me or curriculum for me.

[01:14:01] They are buying a, uh, uh, the, the structure of how to do their,

[01:14:07] their group and how discussion points.

[01:14:10] But the point of it is they are reading the Bible.

[01:14:13] They're connecting with the word together.

[01:14:16] Um, they're reading at eight minutes a day, uh, on their own.

[01:14:19] And then they're coming together for their living room group

[01:14:23] to discuss and unpack it.

[01:14:25] So it just, there was a point two years ago when I read that the book

[01:14:31] of acts where God was already saying, okay, we're moving, I am

[01:14:35] moving you in this assignment.

[01:14:37] And when I read the book of acts, it just, it just cemented that I just went,

[01:14:42] okay, it's, um, when he calls us, sometimes we don't feel equipped.

[01:14:48] Like, why are you calling me?

[01:14:51] I can't write a Bible study.

[01:14:52] I can't write what I'm slow.

[01:14:54] I'm slow off tongue.

[01:14:56] The Moses says, right?

[01:14:57] I'm not the right, I'm not a pastor.

[01:15:00] I'm not this.

[01:15:01] I'm not that he goes.

[01:15:02] Yeah, I get it.

[01:15:04] What you are, you have the right gifts, the right skills, community building.

[01:15:09] The, I mean, I have everything to do this.

[01:15:12] And he said, and I'm, I'm laying it on you because this is your assignment

[01:15:19] and it's one little sign he is, he's assigning things to everyone all the time.

[01:15:25] It just matters if we're saying yes, I finally said yes.

[01:15:30] Yes.

[01:15:31] Okay.

[01:15:31] And I'm going to trust he knows better than me because I'm sitting there.

[01:15:35] What I call arguing for my smallness.

[01:15:37] I'm like, I'm not this and I'm not that and I'm not that.

[01:15:41] And he's like, for my smallness.

[01:15:43] I like that.

[01:15:44] Yeah.

[01:15:45] He's like enough.

[01:15:47] I'm telling you, you're the right person to do this.

[01:15:49] What you're doing is reconnecting people to the word because I got it

[01:15:54] in my head, like, Oh, cause I am a speaker.

[01:15:57] I do write books.

[01:15:58] I do write curriculum, but I was like, I'm not writing Bible curriculum.

[01:16:02] And he's like, no, no, just connect them with my word.

[01:16:06] Right.

[01:16:07] Was the key.

[01:16:08] Right.

[01:16:09] Trust trust when God calls you and trust that he will lead you in that.

[01:16:17] Once I got that, I was like, I can do that.

[01:16:21] I can be the advocate to have people reconnect with your word.

[01:16:26] Amen.

[01:16:27] Absolutely.

[01:16:28] God never, God never calls the ram person.

[01:16:32] No, no.

[01:16:34] God never calls the wrong person.

[01:16:35] So if God's calling you, he didn't, he didn't screw up.

[01:16:39] He's not going to get disappointed in firing you the next day.

[01:16:43] He picked the right person.

[01:16:44] Right.

[01:16:45] Right.

[01:16:45] Well, Dina, I'm just so thankful.

[01:16:47] I'm thankful we got this software to work here and excited to see

[01:16:51] what this does for some folks.

[01:16:53] And so we'll get, you have a link to your, you have a website for your coaching.

[01:17:00] Right.

[01:17:00] Yep.

[01:17:01] Okay.

[01:17:02] So we'll get, okay, DinaPatton.com.

[01:17:04] We'll get and I think you sent me a media kit there, so I'll get all that

[01:17:10] stuff, but if Forrest needs anything else, I'll reach out to you and we'll

[01:17:12] get that put on the district from for all of you there just digging these

[01:17:15] resources and want to dig into that.

[01:17:17] Um, and we just, we thank you for listening to A Christian Business

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[01:17:54] And Dina, we are so thankful you carved out some time from your busy

[01:17:57] schedule to, to, to visit and talk with me today.

[01:18:01] And if anybody has any questions, they can reach out to us or reach out

[01:18:04] to Dina and we are so thankful.

[01:18:06] So thank you very much, Dina.

[01:18:09] Thank you.

[01:18:09] Thank you for having me.

[01:18:10] Amazing conversation.

[01:18:12] And, uh, I hope to do it again soon.

[01:18:15] Absolutely.

[01:18:17] Thank you very much.

[01:18:18] Well, there we go.

[01:18:20] That was that.

[01:18:21] Um, we made it through the software.

[01:18:23] Yay.

[01:18:24] I know.

[01:18:25] Yay.

[01:18:26] Sorry.

[01:18:27] I have to, I have a, I have a 12 o'clock client that's going

[01:18:30] to be here in like three minutes.

[01:18:31] You're good.

[01:18:33] Don't worry.

[01:18:35] So thank you very much.

[01:18:37] Yes.

[01:18:38] Thank you.

[01:18:38] Will, do you need to look over the transcript before we post it?

[01:18:42] Are you good with everything that went on there?

[01:18:44] Yeah.

[01:18:44] Okay.

[01:18:45] Sounds good.

[01:18:45] We'll, we'll get it up to you.

[01:18:47] Good.

[01:18:47] We'll, we'll get it up there and then I'll shoot you a link to it.

[01:18:49] And then if you could blast it on your social media, that'd be great.

[01:18:52] Um, and we'll do the same and send it through every, you know,

[01:18:56] the channels that we have.

[01:18:57] So thank you very much Dina.

[01:18:59] Thank you.

[01:19:00] Have a great rest of your day.

[01:19:01] You too.

[01:19:02] Bye.

[01:19:02] Thanks.

[01:19:03] Bye.