#21 Andrew and Ariel Murray with Wrightway Marine Part I

[00:00:00] Well, here we are. Welcome to a Christian Business Podcast. And I am one of your hosts, Aaron. And

[00:00:09] Justin has not been with us for a while, but he's still in the game. So we may hear from him soon,

[00:00:13] but he's super busy. And today, we have the distinct pleasure of welcoming from Right Way Marine,

[00:00:24] Andrew and Ariel Murray. And we are excited to hear their story. They've got a pretty cool

[00:00:29] story. We met them at the Fremont Business Expo. And that was, we just kept starting to tell our

[00:00:36] stories and saying, wait, wait, wait for the podcast, wait for the podcast. So it's, it's exciting to,

[00:00:42] to finally have that here. And we are actually podcasting in the new Redeemed Roofing and

[00:00:48] Exterior's office all untrimmed and but that's exciting. And we're going to hopefully start

[00:00:54] doing some video in here. So that's, I'm pretty excited about that. So lots of stuff going on

[00:00:58] today, but we are so excited to have the Murray's here with us and looking forward to hear from

[00:01:03] their story. So Andrew's got a devotion for us here. And we will, we will get rock and roll. Thanks

[00:01:09] for guys, thanks guys for being on the show. Thank you for having us. I do want to say too

[00:01:13] first, this has been an encouragement. So I kind of heard about this podcast through one of our

[00:01:18] customers and we had bumped into Aaron a few times at the parade and the Expo and God was just

[00:01:25] putting us next to each other a lot. And so I started listening to this podcast and as we'll get

[00:01:31] into the story, the season we're in, it's been super encouraging to hear other Christian business

[00:01:35] owners and their stories and a lot of them, the ups and the downs and the storms you weather.

[00:01:40] Right. And so I've been lifted up by this idea. I think it's always good when you have an

[00:01:46] idea like I'd like to do a Christian business podcast to know that it affects people,

[00:01:52] you know, and people that are listening. So I pray that this one is like any other one that

[00:01:57] it encourages somebody. Right. So I do have a devotion prepared. So as we get into our story,

[00:02:05] this will make more sense. But the season we are in, we're kind of in a storm.

[00:02:09] We're in a big midst of change, but God is on the throne and he's there. And he's not surprised

[00:02:16] by anything we are going through. And we're still really blessed. So the scripture that

[00:02:20] kind of came to mind was Daniel three and it's 13 to 18. And for everybody that's grown up in church,

[00:02:28] that is Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and the fiery furnace. So and kind of leading up to this,

[00:02:34] Nebuchadnezzar who's pretty crazy is, you know, made a creed to everybody has to worship him when,

[00:02:42] you know, the music hits, everybody has to stop what they're doing bow down, worship him.

[00:02:46] And these guys did not do that. And the penalty for that was the fiery furnace. So I'll just read

[00:02:52] that scripture here real quick. Then Nebuchadnezzar flew into a rage and ordered that Shadrach,

[00:02:58] Meshach and Abednego be brought before him. When they were brought in, Nebuchadnezzar said to them,

[00:03:04] is this true Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego that you refuse to serve gods, to serve my gods,

[00:03:10] to worship the gold statue I have set up? I will give you one more chance to bow down

[00:03:15] and worship the statue I have made for you. And when you hear the sound of the musical instruments,

[00:03:21] but if you refuse, you will be thrown immediately into the blazing furnace.

[00:03:25] And then what God will be able to rescue you from my power? Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego

[00:03:31] replied, Oh Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you. We are if we

[00:03:38] are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God whom we serve is able to save us. He will rescue us from

[00:03:46] your power, your majesty. But even if he doesn't, we want to make it clear to you, your majesty,

[00:03:54] that we will never serve your gods or worship the gold statue you have set up. So that's Daniel

[00:04:00] 3, 13 to 18. And then the other part is kind of don't worry. The Christian life is lived a day at

[00:04:10] a time and this all makes sense after this part. And Ariel sent me this a little bit ago on a hard day.

[00:04:17] And this is Matthew 6, 25 to 34. That is why I tell you not to worry about everyday life,

[00:04:23] whether you have enough food or drink or enough clothes to wear. Isn't life more than food and

[00:04:29] your body more than clothing? Look at the birds, they don't plant or harvest or store food and barns.

[00:04:35] For your heavenly father feeds them and aren't you more valuable to him than they are?

[00:04:40] Can all your worries at a single moment to your life? And why worry about your clothing?

[00:04:45] Look at the lilies of the field and how they grow. They don't work or make clothing.

[00:04:51] Yet Solomon in all his glory was not dressed as beautifully as they are. And if God cares

[00:04:57] so wonderfully for wildflowers that are here today and thrown into the fire tomorrow,

[00:05:02] he will certainly care for you. Why do you have so little faith? So don't worry about these things

[00:05:08] saying, what will I eat? What will I drink? What will I wear? These things dominate the thoughts

[00:05:14] of unbelievers. But your heavenly father already knows your needs. Seek the kingdom of God above

[00:05:20] all else. Live righteously and he will give you everything you need. So don't worry about

[00:05:25] tomorrow. For tomorrow will bring its own worries. Today is trouble enough. And that's Matthew 6,

[00:05:30] 25 to 34. So for us, it really just makes in a storm we're in focus that God is on the throne.

[00:05:41] He knows all this stuff. He knew it before I was even born that what we're going through

[00:05:46] would happen. And he's over these things and it's a pretty clear call to Christians

[00:05:52] not to worry. You know what I mean? It floods the thoughts of unbelievers.

[00:05:58] God does promise to take care of our needs. That doesn't mean we just sit like a sloth on

[00:06:03] the couch with our hand out waiting, right? Right. But it's that kind of scripture right

[00:06:08] now for us that I look at and go, all right, just take it a day at a time. Take it a day at

[00:06:13] a time. Really lean into the Lord and what he has for our next chapter of our life,

[00:06:19] our next season. I think one of the words that stuck out while you were talking was needs.

[00:06:24] And I think a lot of times we get into a place where we are, you know, where we have a

[00:06:31] there the line between need and want is gray. You know, my shepherd self supply my need,

[00:06:37] according to his riches and glory. And you know, if this is how God cares for the field,

[00:06:41] the grass of the field. And but it comes to God will give you all that you need. And

[00:06:46] I think part of sometimes our struggle and our worry in these times of struggle

[00:06:56] is that we get out of perspective what's a need and what's a want. We go, oh my goodness, you know,

[00:07:02] we made, you know, $200,000 last year in the business. And this year we've only made $100.

[00:07:07] What are we going to do? Well, wait a minute, you on the wealthiest country in the world with

[00:07:14] okay, yes, that hurt and you know, that that's that's not a good thing. But would the worry be

[00:07:21] less if we really had a full grasp on what we actually needed and that 100,000 far surpassed

[00:07:28] what we actually needed there are people that live on, you know, pennies a day in the world.

[00:07:34] And here we are. So I'm wondering if some of that perspective change might

[00:07:40] be like some of that bad perspective may be fuel for the worry fire. You know what I'm saying?

[00:07:46] Yeah, like so no, we really appreciate you bringing that devotion. And and

[00:07:52] I think in a lot of ways we talked to a lot of people on this podcast who have been through

[00:07:55] that and seen the other side. And so I'm really just excited to hear how you guys were in that

[00:08:01] and are you know, what parts of that you're still in the midst of and really just how

[00:08:05] that is gonna how your story shapes where you are in business and how it shapes how people

[00:08:10] are going to be blessed by your story. So I'm excited. So, Andrew, I am actually gonna,

[00:08:15] I'm gonna hold you back for a minute and I want to hear from Ariel kind of let's let's,

[00:08:20] you know, like we always do, let's hear that personal story. Let's hear what's going on

[00:08:23] because I have a sneaking suspicion you like me, you and I are going to have a tendency

[00:08:28] to dominate the conversation. And I really want to give because I think the unsung heroes of

[00:08:33] those of us in business the unsung heroes a lot of times are the wipes. So I really want to start

[00:08:37] with you, Ariel and hear your personal story just how you came to Christ what things were like before

[00:08:41] what things are like after, you know, big moments that had that you're you spiritually changed

[00:08:48] in big ways and all that. So go go ahead get get started, Ariel. Yeah, I feel like we're

[00:08:54] we're messy and combined. I don't know if it'll just be able to be me

[00:08:59] and then Andrew, sure that's fine. Word kind of together.

[00:09:02] There were worth thing. Yeah. So, so I didn't grow up in a Christian home. I don't think my mom

[00:09:11] and stepdad really believed in anything they're just good people still they're just good people.

[00:09:18] But I had a great home life very caring parents. I was raised by my mom who was a teen mom.

[00:09:26] And then my stepdad came in, I think when I was probably a year old and they've been together

[00:09:31] my whole life. So I've always known a mom and a dad. I mean, that you're bumping that. Yeah,

[00:09:37] if you can back up just a little bit there we go. Yes, I've always had a mom and a dad

[00:09:43] in my home life and growing up, I remember being asked to like VBS is at churches and

[00:09:50] things like that. And they were just fun things to go to. And so fast forward a little bit from me and

[00:09:57] little around nine I met my biological dad and stepmom and had siblings with them and they live in

[00:10:04] Nuevo. And so through meeting them, I became a hormonal teenager. So at about 1415,

[00:10:13] I actually moved into my dad's house. And that's how I met Andrew. And he was just a really cute boy

[00:10:23] who I wanted to hang out with and his what happened now? I had to do what happened. I'm sorry.

[00:10:31] He's not a boy anymore. He's a grown man. All right, that's good. We can press forward.

[00:10:36] So I met him. And as you'll hear from him, his family just was at church a lot and on Wednesday

[00:10:43] nights or Sunday nights or whatever, I would want to hang out with them. So where do you

[00:10:48] hang out with them when he's at church at church? And so I went and probably

[00:10:54] two years, this is very recapped after about two years of kind of seeing each other dating

[00:11:02] I would say, I would say,

[00:11:07] Eric quote, she just did air quotes. Yeah. And you'll hear more later for shadowing. So yeah,

[00:11:13] I got to know his family, his mom and dad definitely were so sweet and huge and me just knowing

[00:11:22] who Jesus is what he's done for me learning a lot of the simple stories that you would hear

[00:11:28] in Sunday school, but from them because I was right too old to be in Sunday school as a little kid.

[00:11:36] So I don't know if that's as far as you want to go or I want to dig in just a little bit.

[00:11:42] I feel permit me the you know, a lot of times grew up and kind of everything was taken care

[00:11:50] of. I mean, a family who loved you and food was on the table and shoes were on your feet.

[00:11:54] You went to school and you had enough to eat and all of this.

[00:11:59] There at some point, you discovered a need to be saved. And can you can you unpack that a little

[00:12:08] bit from what do you know? Everything's good to I need a savior. Can you articulate that at all?

[00:12:17] Would it be after our crisis? Yeah.

[00:12:20] Or when you were eight. So okay, I tell you what, go ahead, continue your story and maybe

[00:12:26] you'll be able to weave that in. So just know that I want to know that. Yeah, bookmark. Bookmark, right.

[00:12:33] So so you meet Andrew, you're kind of hanging out with the youth group and all that kind of stuff

[00:12:37] and getting to know him. It was like, which he adults attending church Wednesday nights in a

[00:12:42] service Sunday nights in a service and then some Sunday mornings. But it was a gradual

[00:12:46] transition over a couple of years from when you were just there for him to, hey, what's going on here

[00:12:51] with these people? And by that time we were getting engaged, getting married. Wait a minute.

[00:12:57] Did you missionary date, bro? No, we dated a while. What was it? We'd worldly dated.

[00:13:03] Yeah, we worldly dated, bro. Oh, okay. I met Andrew when I was 16. So spiritually,

[00:13:10] were you like already in like a decent place? I was a missionary. You were dating a heathen

[00:13:17] I mean, yeah, we were missionary date. You were mission. That's what that's called.

[00:13:22] You've never heard that term before. No, missionary dating. We're trying to save me

[00:13:26] like when a Christian like usually teenager dates an unbeliever with in hopes that maybe they'll

[00:13:34] you know, oh, you know, hey, if I date them, they can come to Christ and yeah. Was that your

[00:13:40] you were missionary dating? I had worldly goals. Yeah, I was

[00:13:47] who didn't I was the missionary kid that was at church every time the doors were open.

[00:13:53] But it was my home life was really good. My parents were awesome relationship driven,

[00:13:59] Christ centered. Sure. But church experience was a little probably religious traditions,

[00:14:05] religion is strict, you know, kind of conservative Baptist church. Okay. And so I knew what sin was,

[00:14:13] but I wanted to, you know, do that sounded fun anyway. So but yeah, I knew I couldn't ask

[00:14:20] Ariel to marry me until she was saved. Like I knew that was got you. So there was a line I can

[00:14:26] date her when she's not a Christian, but but I was really influence that really sets her up

[00:14:31] for success in being able to have an authentic genuine, genuine conversion experience. Oh,

[00:14:36] you won't marry me unless I love unless I love Jesus. Well, isn't that funny? I just met him last

[00:14:42] night and now I'm saved so we can get married. That's kind of probably why there was air quotes

[00:14:48] for salvation. That's the air because I probably my parents did a good job of witnessing

[00:14:53] to Ariel at home and talking to her in a loving way and really loving her, right? Oh yeah. But

[00:15:01] yeah, I think I influenced it in the wrong way. Got you. You know what I mean? So

[00:15:07] so you guys are dating for a while then you get engaged, Ariel at some point your,

[00:15:12] you know, like lights are starting to go off in your brain of hey this Jesus thing.

[00:15:17] No, that was years later. Really? So you got married before?

[00:15:21] So so I was saved, you know, probably 18,

[00:15:26] prayed the prayers, said the birds, yeah, went through the motions and then we got married when

[00:15:31] I was 20. Andrew was 21. And then so high school, sweethearts junior year of high school till

[00:15:41] you know what was it four years of dating? We had three years of dating and one year

[00:15:45] of engagement and then married. Yeah. Okay. So now you're married. And then what? Well,

[00:15:55] I feel like you should ask Andrew now just for the story to be like, so let's back up.

[00:16:01] You grew up in the church and was there a point at which you were like, okay, this is my faith.

[00:16:06] This is so I was saved young. I remember I mean, I double dipped. I was I remember being five

[00:16:14] and being really scared of hell and being in upstairs my grandma's house and praying that

[00:16:19] and then I remember being 13 and asleep in a bag on my parents floor during a storm

[00:16:25] and just deciding that as well. But where it didn't translate is in my teen years,

[00:16:31] high school years, there was no fruit, right? Right. I was a Judas, a counterfeit. I knew what

[00:16:39] to do and knew how to live like a Christian in front of people on Sunday, but Saturday night Andrew

[00:16:45] and Friday night Andrew were different people. And so it didn't mirror and I wasn't in the word.

[00:16:52] I attended church and I knew I had knowledge. You had you had enough to make it look good. Yeah,

[00:16:57] but I did not have a relationship. It's kind of me playing the piano like I really

[00:17:02] not good at playing the piano, but I love to see that sometimes.

[00:17:06] But yeah, so I was that was me was missionary kid that was, you know, seeing what the world had

[00:17:15] out there. But yeah, we got married and, you know, this is in 2009. And then we three months later,

[00:17:23] we, you know, we moved down to Green Rapids, get an apartment.

[00:17:27] I worked in Green Rapids. And then three months later, got a job offer to move out to Colorado,

[00:17:33] to Steamboat Springs, Colorado, to manage a dealership, to manage a part of the power sports.

[00:17:39] Okay, did you go to college? No. Okay, so you what was your first job in Green Rapids?

[00:17:43] So I've always been like a gearhead cars, all that stuff and power sports. So I worked,

[00:17:49] you know, a lot of odd jobs. I've been employed since 14 without any breaks. Okay, I was kind

[00:17:57] of of the school of when that hit my parents said, Hey, you're on, you know, you got to if you

[00:18:02] want it, you got to buy it. My dad was really good at that, you know, earning it. So I would get

[00:18:07] a job and had a nice truck in high school. And I worked to get stuff. You know, I figured

[00:18:12] it out early on that if you want something and your parents are going to buy it, you have

[00:18:17] to go work and make money and buy it. And I remember working for like, the Owning goes Stony

[00:18:22] Creek. And I had a really pretty nice truck for a high school kid. A very nice truck.

[00:18:27] That I think sealed the deal for Ariel. Give me a shot. Andy's got a nice truck.

[00:18:32] Yeah. So and they said that's a really nice truck for your age. And I said, well,

[00:18:36] that's why I'm here. I need to work. You know, so I always had kind of accountability

[00:18:40] through debt. Okay, you know what I mean? I had interesting way to put the

[00:18:44] accountability through. I always had accountability. You know what that should go on Facebook?

[00:18:49] I always had accountability through debt. So okay, I'm just trying to figure out,

[00:18:52] I'm trying to make the connection between you are a newly married person in Grand Rapids who's

[00:18:58] a gearhead and somebody calls you from Colorado and says, come manage our dealership.

[00:19:02] Yeah, I can clean that up. So I was do I worked as just I worked in shipping and receiving

[00:19:06] at Village Motorsports, you know, it's power sports store. Sure. And then I was just

[00:19:11] a parts kid selling parts and accessories. And then I

[00:19:19] Who is it? What is it? Give me the phone, please. David Froster.

[00:19:28] I forgot. Super fun. I don't remember. But we were going to see if I could. Yeah. No. Okay.

[00:19:33] Let me turn it down now. Church mode. There you are. So I was a parts guy.

[00:19:44] And then the dealership hired a new manager and it was not as fun to work there anymore. And

[00:19:51] our finance guy moved out to Colorado and got a job at this dealership being the finance guy.

[00:19:57] And the owner of this dealership in Colorado is really successful businessman owned 17 huge

[00:20:04] car dealers biggest four dealer in Texas. And the finance guy said you need to hire

[00:20:10] Andrew Murray to manage parts and accessories. And you're silly if you don't basically. And I

[00:20:16] was really young. I was what 20 was I 21 22? I was 21 and you were probably turning 22 in

[00:20:23] Colorado. Yeah. So, you know, this billionaire guy, Michael Graves calls me and says, Hey,

[00:20:29] I'm I was told I need to hire you and I'm dumb if I can't get you. So he flew me out.

[00:20:36] I flew out over the weekend left me at home. Yeah, little apartment. And he, you know,

[00:20:41] showed me all the stuff stayed in one of his big houses there. And

[00:20:47] you know, I agreed to come work for him. He said, I'll pay everything if you're here next week.

[00:20:52] I'll break your lease on your apartment. I'll pay that and I'll pay for your move. And I'll

[00:20:56] do all this stuff. 22 year old punk kid with no management experience. Why in the world?

[00:21:03] Okay, that was God. Yeah. Right. Okay. So, but at this time, like, are you guys

[00:21:09] like starting to grow in your faith? Or are you like, no, I'd say we're just being Sunday.

[00:21:15] We're we're praying before meals. We're attending church. We have some knowledge,

[00:21:19] but we're getting drunk. We're partying. And we're living like the world. We're talking

[00:21:24] like the world. Okay. And all of our want to do and all of our friend group was

[00:21:29] unbelievers. So we weren't having anybody, you know, what God wants for our life

[00:21:34] pointing that because we got it and there would have been people but we didn't want them.

[00:21:39] So we were living that way. But enough to where my parents and Christians in our life were like,

[00:21:45] yeah, they're fine. You know what I mean? Okay, looked good enough that nobody.

[00:21:49] Yeah, nobody that would care new. No, everybody. We had them fooled, I guess. So

[00:21:56] so yeah, we move out to Colorado. I start managing that dealership. I learned a lot.

[00:22:02] I did not go to college, but that owner invested a lot of like marketing and I went to like marketing

[00:22:07] school and advertising and just things like that. And I was in charge of something. So I

[00:22:14] managed people and had the task of turning around a department, you know? Okay. And so

[00:22:20] we did that. And my resume was pretty good out of those few years there on numbers and stuff.

[00:22:27] But it was I worked a lot. I was, I got shingles from stress. I'd work.

[00:22:31] You got that when we had a kid. Yeah, it was a lot of before that you never got shingles. We

[00:22:37] know we went out on weekends and yeah, de-stressed. But yes. So Steamboat was a fun time in the

[00:22:44] world sense of things, you know, but we were just partying and living in a resort town in

[00:22:48] Colorado and had a decent job. Ariel worked at one of the resorts. I had a free ski pass.

[00:22:55] Never used it. Yeah. Okay. People who hear this would be like. Yeah, skiers are very offended.

[00:23:01] Colorado ski. And Steamboats. You get to ski it every day.

[00:23:04] Ski town. Somebody right now is sitting in their car. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Ski town USA.

[00:23:10] Yes, we hear you. Ariel hears you. She doesn't care. I know. Sorry. Now I wish I had one.

[00:23:16] I snow-mobiled a lot because that was our industry, but we didn't ski ever.

[00:23:21] We went up to the, we rode the gondola up to get, I forget what they call it. It's a special name

[00:23:26] for after ski, nope, after skiing drinks. Oh, okay. After something. Yeah, I forgot too,

[00:23:35] but you're close. Yeah. Like a pre-sie or something. There's a name for it up there and

[00:23:41] we would do that. We would not ski and then get the drinks anyway. After ski drinks.

[00:23:45] Once again, not skier. Anybody who's a skier is furious. They don't know the terms.

[00:23:50] They're like, are you kidding me? Yeah. We're Michigan people, not Colorado people.

[00:23:54] Sorry, everybody. But we fell in love with Colorado. Those first two years, it's a beautiful

[00:23:59] country. Yeah. You fell in love in Colorado or you fell in love with Colorado? With Colorado.

[00:24:04] I was like, because I thought you were saying that happened like years ago.

[00:24:07] Yeah. Yeah. But we fell in love with the state, Colorado. It was amazing.

[00:24:14] So that was a couple years and then- And we attended a church there.

[00:24:18] We had a small group there, got to know some people there. So we were involved casually

[00:24:24] in church. But I mean, everyone in our small group still was doing the same things we're doing.

[00:24:30] Okay. A lot of immature believers including us.

[00:24:34] Okay. Yeah. And then we decided we want kids. We have our first son who's born there, Bentley,

[00:24:42] who's now 12. And then that's when it started. We had it pretty good there, but houses averaged

[00:24:49] 1.4 million at that time there and they're more now. So that wasn't really a place that I feel

[00:24:55] like we could raise a family or own a home. We were in a nice condo on the mountain, but

[00:25:01] so at that point I had realized, all right, we're sealing and pay. We can never afford a house here.

[00:25:06] And now with a child, I wanted Ariel to have at least the ability to stay home and

[00:25:13] we both wanted that to raise our kids. So if we were going to be a single income, I'd

[00:25:21] find a better opportunity. And so I went to the wholesale side of things. I was in retail,

[00:25:27] managing a dealership department. And then I went to be a sales rep for a company called Western

[00:25:33] Power Sports. So just with connections you have? Yeah. We were like, hey, what is that?

[00:25:38] We were a big store that bought a lot from everybody and spent a lot of money. So

[00:25:42] all the reps really liked us. You had some connections.

[00:25:44] And so the rep who was a believer and is still a good mentor in my life, I approached him about

[00:25:51] maybe becoming a sales rep. And he said, you'd be great and talk to his boss, his regional manager.

[00:25:57] And they wanted to hire me and Oklahoma territory opened up. And so we talked about it and

[00:26:05] decided that we would move to Oklahoma. I had never been there. And so we had a four-month-old

[00:26:12] boy, me and Ariel. And then we packed up. I put my notice in on good terms in Steamboat.

[00:26:19] And we headed off down south and east for Oklahoma. The billionaire let you go?

[00:26:25] Yeah. He said, I knew I would lose you to something eventually like you're gonna go.

[00:26:31] I feel like the tagline for our life is it's not what you know, it's who you know.

[00:26:36] And that'll be a theme throughout our life. And this person and then this person.

[00:26:40] Yeah. Because without college, you just have to my thing was you got to do a really good job of

[00:26:45] whatever you're doing and people of importance will see that you're an asset and they will

[00:26:51] want to retain you or say come over here and we'll give you a promotion.

[00:26:56] So that was always my mindset and work was just to do a good job and pour myself into it.

[00:27:02] So I could get to the next level because I didn't have a degree or anything to boost me with

[00:27:09] and honestly in sales it's not something that holds a lot of merit anyway.

[00:27:13] Okay. You know what I mean? I feel like it is more of a personality

[00:27:16] and I just enjoy people. I enjoy talking. So they're good at relationship.

[00:27:20] Yeah. Gotcha. Gotcha. It worked. Sales made sense. Okay. So you're in Oklahoma

[00:27:27] and you're repping some product for some power sports, some parts.

[00:27:32] We're a big distributor so lots of product. I had the whole state was my territory.

[00:27:38] Oklahoma. Yeah. At about 60 some shops but the territory was a mess. It was low and the company

[00:27:45] was kind of small and all our competition was next day shipping we weren't so it was

[00:27:52] stacked against us but we did pretty good. So you kind of worked in there and so Ariel,

[00:27:59] you're home and yeah. When we had Bentley, our oldest, I told Andrew like I want to be

[00:28:08] a stay at home mom. I don't want to have kids and so that's what pushed you over to Oklahoma and so

[00:28:14] that worked. Did the income was sufficient to keep her home? Well, I feel like you always say we

[00:28:20] struggled that first little bit in Oklahoma and so I think I look back and I think like no,

[00:28:26] we didn't. We were totally fine. I don't remember struggling so maybe that's nice either you hit it

[00:28:32] from me or I'm just like, it wasn't really that bad. We just did whatever we needed to do

[00:28:38] and it was fine. Yeah. Do you think maybe it was just a feeling of you wanted better for

[00:28:45] the family and it wasn't what you wanted it to be? Was there a struggle? It was a little

[00:28:50] struggle. The transition from there to there was we rented a house halfway there. We pulled over

[00:28:58] and picked one and put a deposit. You can see God through our whole life. It wasn't just we pulled

[00:29:04] over and got a house. We were looking at four different ones I think and we're driving Andrew

[00:29:11] with the box truck, me, my mother-in-law and a baby in my little golf behind them.

[00:29:17] You headed like a city destination in mind. Tulsa. Yes. Okay, so you were headed for Tulsa.

[00:29:21] Yeah, but no house. But you were just going to roll up and stay in a hotel until you found something.

[00:29:26] Kind of yeah. And so we're driving down the road Andrew calls and pulls over and says like,

[00:29:31] hey, we've got a pick. All these houses are gone. This is the one. We're signing on it.

[00:29:37] Site unseen, maybe a picture. I had saved four or five homes to rent for a year because

[00:29:44] I thought we'll rent for a year. I don't want to buy yet. Well, like saved in like your online

[00:29:48] service or whatever. But then they all called on the drive there because we were just going to

[00:29:53] check them out in person and get a hotel and all of them got swooped up other than one. So I'm

[00:29:59] like, we'll just take this one and I'll put that address in my GPS and that's where we'll go.

[00:30:04] You drove up to it. Where's my paperwork? It was a great location really close to

[00:30:12] God put us there. Like it was close to our church. It was, you know, a really nice area to

[00:30:17] how'd you find the church? You starting a family church hunt. Yeah, we went to what three or four.

[00:30:22] Yeah. And it was first Baptist of broken arrow. Right. Is that what it's called? Yep. First

[00:30:27] Baptist of broken era. Very, that's how we say it. So it was a big church by 2500 people.

[00:30:34] Oh, okay. But really good. I think that was we got into a small group.

[00:30:38] And as we tell the story, sometimes I'm like, man, we were in a lot of things you should be in,

[00:30:43] but we behind closed doors. We were different. You okay. And at this time too,

[00:30:49] we had had some marriage problems and those were building at the midway point of Colorado

[00:30:55] into Oklahoma. Why did you stay connected to the church?

[00:31:01] I think because I think my parents played a big role in that is I knew that my life was going

[00:31:07] to be better with God in it. Right? And then my parents kept up on that too.

[00:31:13] Were you guys going to church? Yeah, they did not just whatever you guys do, we love you.

[00:31:18] They were very, God's the most important part of your life. How is that going? But I think

[00:31:23] I did enough of it to appease and to... Got you. You know what I mean? It wasn't like

[00:31:28] my thing. It was just like what you did. And then Ariel, you were kind of like,

[00:31:32] okay, sure if that's what we're doing, that's what we're doing or were you

[00:31:35] each had moments of like your relationship with God goes up and down. So I feel like we each had

[00:31:41] moments of it's really good. We're kind of dialed and then like, we're not dialed.

[00:31:46] Our flesh is stronger right now. We're pretty weak. So we just kind of had a lot of ebbs and

[00:31:52] flows in both of our journeys throughout this. So you connect with this church and was it

[00:32:00] was it anything different than the churches you'd... Was your response to it or was this a

[00:32:06] really big, big movement spiritually for you guys? No, I mean, I grew up in like an 80-person,

[00:32:13] 40 to 80-person Baptist church. This was a big change for how big it was. But in the Oklahoma,

[00:32:20] the Bible Belt, that's kind of a medium, small church there. A big church is 10,000 plus.

[00:32:27] So you're kind of... But the production and the building and all that were a lot bigger than I

[00:32:32] was used to. But it was good and having a D group was good and Sunday school.

[00:32:38] We've met some of our sweetest friends there and still talk to some.

[00:32:41] I just think we were given free will, right? To do what we want. And God doesn't force us to

[00:32:50] love them and seek them. And so like Ariel said, I think we had really good times of growth,

[00:32:57] but there was other time. It just didn't transition to home. We still had problems with

[00:33:04] alcohol and old friends and all that stuff. And of course that doesn't help a marriage at all.

[00:33:10] No. So did so through that process. But you didn't see any massive spiritual growth

[00:33:18] during that time connected with that church. It just things kind of... From the time you started at

[00:33:24] that church to the time you left there. I think I definitely grew in my knowledge of what,

[00:33:30] of things I knew I got involved in women's ministry. And so that was really nice.

[00:33:36] And because I didn't grow up in the church. So it's not like I know a ton. So that really

[00:33:41] helped my knowledge going forward. Right. So you gained a bunch of head knowledge, but

[00:33:45] it really went the 18 inches. Right. Like it made it here, but not here for sure.

[00:33:49] Right. Yeah. The longest distance in the universe, the 15 inches between the head and the heart.

[00:33:54] Yeah. So okay. So you're in Oklahoma. I mean financially things are okay?

[00:34:00] Yeah. Financially we're climbing the ladder. I mean we made six figures year one and never

[00:34:05] stopped doing that. Okay. So we... I took the territory at I think about 400,000 a year,

[00:34:11] which is terrible. That would have paid us about $30,000 a year if we wouldn't have grown that.

[00:34:16] So but we grew it to $2 million in just a few years. Okay.

[00:34:22] So we were making 150,000 more a year and this is in 10, 11 or 11, 12, 13. I guess 11 to 16

[00:34:33] we lived in Oklahoma. Okay. So growing some spiritually, growing in knowledge,

[00:34:38] not really having huge life change, but really learning more and getting better at walking the

[00:34:43] walk or getting better at talking the talk? Or was there some life change happening? Was

[00:34:48] there a little bit of heart change going on? No. No. Okay. Yeah. So just got better at talking

[00:34:54] the talk than walking the walk. Yeah. So your things are going great. Why'd you come to

[00:35:01] Michigan? So then, you know, we're in Oklahoma. We have our second kid Joey. In that time one

[00:35:08] of the things that kind of shook me was in 2013, my dad passed away suddenly had a heart attack.

[00:35:15] So you know, my dad has a great testimony and a lot of people around here know him, Joe Murray,

[00:35:22] and but it's been 10 years now he's been gone. So we lived in Oklahoma and I got that call

[00:35:28] from my sister hysterically that, you know, dad had passed away. And so we went up and,

[00:35:35] you know, did the funeral here and all that. So that kind of made me check myself a little bit of

[00:35:41] like, I'm just trying to make a lot of money and provide but I'm just trying to make a lot of

[00:35:46] money and acquire a lot of stuff. And that kind of made me feel like money is kind of silly.

[00:35:53] And I had met, I had put a lot of goals for myself of I want the territory to get to this

[00:35:59] I want to make this much a month, I want to make this much a year so I had put those

[00:36:03] goals out and I had accomplished them. And I was noticing that the pursuit of the goal

[00:36:10] was what fed me. And then I would accomplish the goal. And it was fun for about 10 minutes.

[00:36:17] And then I went, what's next? So when my dad passed away, I kind of thought

[00:36:22] I'm making a lot more money than I used to more than I thought I'd make, I guess.

[00:36:27] But I'm not, it doesn't do it for you. And my dad passed and I thought, what did it matter if he

[00:36:33] had a lot or a little? Or, you know, because he was really kingdom minded and there was an urgency

[00:36:37] about telling other people about the Lord in his life. And there wasn't in my life.

[00:36:42] Right.

[00:36:42] You know what I mean? I was worldly minded. I want to be successful.

[00:36:45] So it was at your kind of graveside epiphany of this is what he, you know,

[00:36:54] the clothes on his back, I mean, he could have made millions. But at the end of the day, he's

[00:36:59] in the ground and where am I headed? What am I going to have at the end of the day?

[00:37:03] So it was one of those kind of like close one person who's close to you dies and it really

[00:37:08] I think death has a way of just organically making somebody think right. And I think my dad,

[00:37:15] the Lord of my dad's life was God. And, you know, he wanted to glorify him and make

[00:37:20] disciples. And that was his legacy that he left as people knew that.

[00:37:25] And that was his main priority where mine, if you were to look at my life at that time,

[00:37:31] was did not show that it was it was fine. But we, you know, it was void of a true relationship

[00:37:39] with God really. But people wouldn't probably say that that knew us because we were at church.

[00:37:45] We were in the group. Good. Yeah, it looked good.

[00:37:48] I think counterfeit Christian and Judas is what comes to me.

[00:37:51] A lot. Right.

[00:37:52] You know what I mean? Because the outside world's going, you're fine. But inside and

[00:37:58] in turn under the surface, you're not, you know, if you heard how I talked and everything else

[00:38:04] with my dealers, they would be shocked if they heard I went to church.

[00:38:09] I got you. Oh, that guy goes, okay.

[00:38:11] Yeah. Southern culture doesn't, Southern culture feeds into surface level Christianity.

[00:38:19] Bless your heart.

[00:38:20] Right. Like you can be whatever at home and then you clean up on Sunday. You come to church.

[00:38:26] It's a tradition.

[00:38:27] Yes. And it's culture.

[00:38:29] So you're home for the funeral and you deal with all that and you head back to Oklahoma

[00:38:36] and you walk in the door and somehow then how does that, where does that lead back to Michigan?

[00:38:41] I think just like the Israelites were not very smart sometimes and we just going down

[00:38:47] the same wrong path. So I think I kind of went, man, money's not the answer.

[00:38:52] You know, God is, but I didn't really apply it. So, you know, we have our other kid and then

[00:38:58] the rep that got me the job, the good mentor, believer guy, his name is Russ. He called me

[00:39:06] in 2015 and said he would be retiring and he would like me to take his old territory,

[00:39:11] which was a really good territory in the company. So he gave me a year notice.

[00:39:17] So I, we put the house up for sale. We sold it. We moved into an apartment.

[00:39:22] Where was his territory?

[00:39:23] His was pretty much the mountains and the front range of Colorado.

[00:39:28] Oh, okay. Back to Colorado.

[00:39:29] Yeah. So in 2016 we moved to Fort Collins, Colorado that's about our north of Denver.

[00:39:37] And I took the job there, took that territory over to be Denver to Fort Collins rep for the

[00:39:44] same company. So this was now my second territory for WPS.

[00:39:49] And so we, you know, we get a house there in Fort Collins and I just start

[00:39:55] seeing dealers and I really like it. And I have a lot of big accounts and a lot of potential.

[00:40:02] And we grew that a lot.

[00:40:03] We found another church to plug in and look good at.

[00:40:07] Yep. We did about probably four or five church hunted for a couple months, found a great church.

[00:40:12] That was awesome. But like I said, you got free will. And I know how to,

[00:40:18] I guess the sales guy in me knows how to mirror.

[00:40:20] Knows how to sell it.

[00:40:22] Yep.

[00:40:22] Right. Right. Absolutely.

[00:40:24] Going to church is important.

[00:40:25] Right.

[00:40:25] But then I was never in the Bible for myself really my whole life.

[00:40:29] You know, at this point it's 2016 and I have never really done that, you know?

[00:40:34] I'd never really had a relationship.

[00:40:36] So you stayed there for how long were you in Colorado?

[00:40:39] Five years.

[00:40:40] Five more years. So this 2016 to 21.

[00:40:43] 16 to 21.

[00:40:44] And in that church was there some start to growth happen or what?

[00:40:48] So this is where I guess we'll enter our marriage crisis.

[00:40:52] Oh.

[00:40:53] So we had been.

[00:40:54] Juicy.

[00:40:55] Yeah.

[00:40:56] How much time do you have?

[00:40:57] Yeah.

[00:40:57] Right.

[00:40:58] How we do, okay, we're good.

[00:41:00] We're good.

[00:41:00] Yeah.

[00:41:00] We're good.

[00:41:01] And this is, you know, this is something that's a harder story for us.

[00:41:05] But we want to tell it because it shows God in our life.

[00:41:09] It makes us look bad.

[00:41:10] Well, if you need to take a minute say so would be fine.

[00:41:13] But yeah, I mean, you know, and for those of you listening, I mean, this is,

[00:41:18] the podcast is growing, right?

[00:41:19] And there's, I mean, we're, there's, I don't know, 2000 some downloads or something now.

[00:41:23] And so there's a not to scare you into not say anything, but

[00:41:27] you know, for the people that are on the podcast, I mean, some of these people have

[00:41:30] shared some really deep stories.

[00:41:32] And so, you know, I think we honor them by listening to that.

[00:41:36] And I think we honor them because the stories of the people we've heard thus far

[00:41:40] want that story to be used.

[00:41:42] Yeah.

[00:41:43] You know, God, I think oftentimes when I'm going through struggle, I pray, God,

[00:41:46] don't waste this.

[00:41:48] And so, you know, we appreciate you guys being willing to go there.

[00:41:52] So whatever it takes if you guys need to take a minute or whatever, but go ahead.

[00:41:55] We would love to hear kind of how God showed up through some of that struggle.

[00:41:59] Yeah.

[00:41:59] You want me to say it?

[00:42:02] Say it.

[00:42:02] You can just keep going.

[00:42:03] Oh, do you want me to start it?

[00:42:04] Yeah.

[00:42:06] Whenever you want to say anything.

[00:42:07] So yeah, please, please do area because again, with just I think

[00:42:11] just perspectives are as you can hear Andrew say like through his work,

[00:42:16] you know, he's his goal focused.

[00:42:18] He's money focused.

[00:42:19] He and he's great at that.

[00:42:21] Andrew is great at being a rep.

[00:42:23] He's great at the relationships, at, you know, having these goals and obtaining them.

[00:42:28] He's amazing.

[00:42:30] He has the awards to show it.

[00:42:32] And so I think but you can hear like I'm a stay at home mom.

[00:42:36] I have my first kid, you know, we're involved in stuff in Oklahoma,

[00:42:41] but he grew the territory.

[00:42:42] So how do you grow a territory?

[00:42:43] You're gone.

[00:42:44] All the time.

[00:42:46] You know, we're in Tulsa, Oklahoma city's the state away, but we have always had a rule

[00:42:51] that Andrew would be home every night.

[00:42:53] I didn't have babies by myself and I wasn't raising them by myself.

[00:42:56] Sure.

[00:42:57] Absolutely.

[00:42:57] So he was home every night.

[00:42:59] You know, when you're gone all day that that leaves a lot of room for loneliness.

[00:43:03] You know, kids are kind of right when their babies there.

[00:43:07] You don't really do anything to talk to an adult.

[00:43:09] Yeah.

[00:43:09] And so you can see that kind of go through Oklahoma and then come into Colorado and he grows

[00:43:14] the business again, the, you know, he keeps growing.

[00:43:18] So there's a lot of time of us being away from each other.

[00:43:22] Andrew focused on that and I can be selfish, looking at seeing on myself or my kid.

[00:43:27] Here you are changing diapers all day.

[00:43:29] Yeah.

[00:43:29] Right.

[00:43:30] And he's growing and changing.

[00:43:31] Yeah.

[00:43:31] He's flowing.

[00:43:32] Yeah.

[00:43:32] Like, you know what?

[00:43:33] I pay a thousand dollars to have a conversation with an adult right now.

[00:43:37] Yeah.

[00:43:37] Yeah.

[00:43:38] Absolutely.

[00:43:38] No, I get that.

[00:43:39] I think, you know.

[00:43:40] So I think that, you know, you can talking about it here and like, well, duh.

[00:43:46] Yeah.

[00:43:47] Of course.

[00:43:47] So Andrew's doing good in Colorado.

[00:43:50] Yep.

[00:43:51] So we, you know, we kept on going and alcohol was one of the problems for sure in our

[00:43:58] life that led to more sin and nothing good.

[00:44:02] And we just tried to control that, you know, and just, but some people can't control that.

[00:44:08] Right?

[00:44:09] That's the whole point of like, maybe you shouldn't.

[00:44:12] But so we just, so and I'll be kind of pretty vulnerable in this conversation because I

[00:44:19] remember when we were there in that mess, you know, separated looking at a divorce

[00:44:27] and with a lot of hurt and a lot of baggage.

[00:44:30] And I remember people in podcast and things being really vulnerable and telling their

[00:44:35] story and how that impacted us and encouraged us through it.

[00:44:39] Right.

[00:44:40] You know, so because so many times I think we can be surfaced, but God really worked in our life

[00:44:46] and our marriage.

[00:44:46] And you guys at some point separated?

[00:44:49] Yeah, for a little bit.

[00:44:50] So we basically, you know, we had been married 11 years, right?

[00:44:55] Yeah.

[00:44:55] And throughout those 11 years there was issues.

[00:44:59] There was stuff.

[00:45:01] So and we had, you know, I struggled with pornography and we did have some infidelity

[00:45:07] in our marriage, right?

[00:45:08] Okay.

[00:45:09] And it kind of all came to the surface and was kind of all found out.

[00:45:14] Was it 2020?

[00:45:15] 2020 was probably a really bad year for people.

[00:45:18] And it was a really good year for us.

[00:45:21] It was the worst and best year ever.

[00:45:23] Yeah.

[00:45:23] So and, and I mean, obviously pornography and infidelity, I mean, my goodness,

[00:45:30] in the life that you guys had, I mean, Satan could easily have a heyday in it.

[00:45:35] Oh, on all day.

[00:45:36] He did.

[00:45:36] You're home all day.

[00:45:39] I mean, you know what?

[00:45:40] In the, I mean, duh, right?

[00:45:43] Like somebody standing on the outside looking in at the situation if they had evaluated

[00:45:48] you know, and be like, how are you guys not?

[00:45:50] Yeah.

[00:45:50] Right.

[00:45:51] Right.

[00:45:51] So wow.

[00:45:52] Wow.

[00:45:53] And again, thank you so much for being vulnerable on that because I think there's a lot of

[00:45:57] people that have experienced that in marriage and have come out on the other side of it.

[00:46:00] And there's people now in the middle of it that could be blessed by that story.

[00:46:03] So really, yeah, kind of so you, I mean, that bends and it's like what the heck.

[00:46:10] Yeah.

[00:46:11] And it had, we had had stuff before like we had caught each other and here and there just

[00:46:17] like, okay, yeah, you know, yeah, better.

[00:46:20] We won't do this.

[00:46:21] It'll be and hanging out with the same people and X's and just stuff like that.

[00:46:26] Like, yeah, you look at it and you go like, well, of course you had issues.

[00:46:30] You never changed anything, you know?

[00:46:32] And you weren't using God to try to fix anything.

[00:46:35] So you would patch it up for three or four months and our family didn't know anything

[00:46:39] about it.

[00:46:40] Our kids, nobody knew anything about it.

[00:46:42] This was just internal stuff that me and Ariel were dealing with.

[00:46:45] But in 21 or in 20, we had come home, you know, this is corona time and we were

[00:46:53] here and everything kind of got caught in the moment.

[00:46:57] And so, and we had kind of been at the place where if anything happens again, it's over.

[00:47:05] We're done, right?

[00:47:06] And it did.

[00:47:07] And so it was over and that was such a dark, messy place.

[00:47:13] So you know, that day we're like going to the beach as a family, you know, with my mom

[00:47:18] and Ariel's parents and brother and the sister and all the kids.

[00:47:22] And we had just the night before, you know.

[00:47:25] Said it's over, we're done.

[00:47:26] Well, yeah, everything got exposed, right?

[00:47:29] And caught.

[00:47:30] And so it was like, you know, what do we do?

[00:47:35] Because we're with family, right?

[00:47:36] This is how do we put on the face of like, we're fine until we like get back.

[00:47:42] So can I, can I just ask a question here that when that decision to separate came

[00:47:50] is would you say that one of you was kind of the one that screwed up the most?

[00:47:58] And and you don't have to say who it is or anything.

[00:48:00] I'm just curious, was it was it one sided or were both of you like just going all over

[00:48:06] the place and screwing up and like, no, there's no point in us being together.

[00:48:11] Or was it like you've done this to me and I cannot tolerate this anymore and you're gone?

[00:48:16] I think to the to the world, it'd be different than to the Lord.

[00:48:20] Yeah.

[00:48:21] We've committed the same thing as far as the Lord's concerned.

[00:48:26] Okay.

[00:48:26] In fidelity, right?

[00:48:27] Like we left our marriage.

[00:48:29] Right.

[00:48:29] It was different and how it looked in the world standards because there was somebody

[00:48:34] and then there was pornography.

[00:48:36] Okay.

[00:48:37] Sure.

[00:48:37] But to God it's we can say that's a sin.

[00:48:39] Right.

[00:48:40] It's a sin.

[00:48:40] Right.

[00:48:41] If you've lost it after one and sure.

[00:48:43] Absolutely.

[00:48:45] Absolutely how you need to look at that because if we go, well it's this person's fault.

[00:48:49] It's like, no, you both left your marriage.

[00:48:51] Right.

[00:48:52] You know what I mean?

[00:48:52] You both.

[00:48:53] So we kind of exposed to our family that what has happened, you know,

[00:48:58] because emotionally we couldn't hold it in.

[00:49:00] Right.

[00:49:00] You know, we're on the beach and I'm just.

[00:49:01] And we're home on vacation.

[00:49:03] Yeah.

[00:49:03] This is like 4th of July.

[00:49:04] We're home on vacation.

[00:49:05] We're staying with family.

[00:49:06] Oh wow.

[00:49:07] But God had, God knew and had planned all this to happen.

[00:49:10] It was the perfect situation for this to happen.

[00:49:12] Exactly.

[00:49:13] Like.

[00:49:13] So we surrender, right?

[00:49:15] Yeah.

[00:49:15] We have messed up this and that.

[00:49:17] We're getting a divorce.

[00:49:18] I'm done.

[00:49:18] You tell your family this.

[00:49:19] Yep.

[00:49:20] And Ariel told her mom and her mom today.

[00:49:24] I understand if you leave and this and that and we're just a mess.

[00:49:27] She told my mom and my sister and brother-in-law and I remember my brother-in-law coming

[00:49:33] down to the basement, you know, we were staying at his house and saying,

[00:49:37] you guys just got to run at God right now.

[00:49:39] You just got to get some Godly counsel and not make any decisions.

[00:49:44] So, you know, he arranged for, I brother-in-law played for the NFL for 13 years.

[00:49:50] So when he played for the Dolphins, they went to church down there

[00:49:54] and he's an awesome Christian guy.

[00:49:56] And so that pastor knew of us, you know, but he was far enough removed where

[00:50:01] he said, I'm going to get Pastor Hunter to call you.

[00:50:04] Right.

[00:50:05] And so we call and start talking to him and we're up in Michigan and we're going through,

[00:50:12] you know, a little bit of counseling.

[00:50:13] He's listening to what's going on.

[00:50:15] We're kind of spilling some of our guts.

[00:50:17] But basically-

[00:50:17] But we're not talking really.

[00:50:19] No.

[00:50:19] And I weren't talking.

[00:50:20] You were staying at your sister's house.

[00:50:22] His mom lives across the driveway in like an apartment.

[00:50:24] I'm staying there.

[00:50:26] And so we're not together.

[00:50:29] Yeah.

[00:50:29] Okay.

[00:50:30] And then-

[00:50:31] But-

[00:50:31] So we're talking to Pastor Hunter separately.

[00:50:33] But willing to talk to the pastor.

[00:50:36] Yeah.

[00:50:36] Yes.

[00:50:37] Okay.

[00:50:38] Okay.

[00:50:39] And he gives us, you know, he looks and says, you guys are a mess.

[00:50:43] I don't even think you're saved.

[00:50:45] There's no fruit in your life.

[00:50:47] And he gave hard truth that I'm so thankful that he did.

[00:50:49] Praise God.

[00:50:50] You know?

[00:50:51] And guess what?

[00:50:51] We didn't like it.

[00:50:53] No, of course not.

[00:50:54] Like, what are you talking about?

[00:50:55] I'm a missionary.

[00:50:56] I'm a missionary.

[00:50:56] I have to hear you.

[00:50:57] I mean, how-

[00:50:58] Right.

[00:50:58] I've gone to church this many times.

[00:51:00] Exactly.

[00:51:01] So, but then I thought about it and I think it was July 14th

[00:51:06] and we were separated and I just broke down

[00:51:10] and I rededicated my life on July 14th, 2020.

[00:51:15] And without me knowing, Ariel did the same thing.

[00:51:17] The same day.

[00:51:18] Yeah.

[00:51:19] Oh, praise God.

[00:51:20] That is amazing.

[00:51:22] Yeah.

[00:51:22] So-

[00:51:23] And just surrendered.

[00:51:24] Yeah.

[00:51:24] And so was it a recognition of your wrongdoing

[00:51:29] or was it a overwhelming sense of the ability to forgive

[00:51:32] or what do you think like,

[00:51:36] what was like the final straw for you to just surrender?

[00:51:41] I think I saw the sin for what it was.

[00:51:43] We were exposed.

[00:51:44] My good Christian boy theme was out the window

[00:51:48] and we had been fighting to kind of fix it on our own for so long

[00:51:52] and it hadn't-

[00:51:54] And so we were just done and I kind of looked at life.

[00:51:58] How is it going with you doing it the way you're doing it, Andrew?

[00:52:01] And it wasn't good.

[00:52:02] So I gave up and said, Lord, you can have my life

[00:52:05] because I've messed it all up.

[00:52:07] And you loved her.

[00:52:09] Yes.

[00:52:09] And she loved you.

[00:52:11] Yep.

[00:52:11] And we both wanted-

[00:52:13] It to work.

[00:52:14] To work, but it could not be the same

[00:52:17] because we had reconciled four times before.

[00:52:20] Sure, absolutely.

[00:52:20] So Ariel, was it kind of similar with you just recognition of sin

[00:52:24] or did you recognize you had sinned before?

[00:52:27] Or did you-

[00:52:28] What was it?

[00:52:30] What was that straw that broke the camel's back

[00:52:32] that put you on your knees?

[00:52:34] Yeah, but I think it was more of like religion.

[00:52:38] Like, okay, I messed up.

[00:52:39] I'll pray about it.

[00:52:40] I'm good.

[00:52:41] Okay, I messed up.

[00:52:42] I'll pray about it.

[00:52:43] I'm good.

[00:52:44] This was like you blew your life up.

[00:52:46] What's going on?

[00:52:47] Like obviously you're not good.

[00:52:50] And then really looking and being like,

[00:52:54] I can't do it by myself.

[00:52:57] Right.

[00:52:57] Like I can only do it with God.

[00:52:59] Like he's the only one who can fix any of this situation at all.

[00:53:04] Like you've tried to do it before,

[00:53:07] you think you're good, you're not.

[00:53:08] You've talked to pastors before,

[00:53:10] you thought you're good.

[00:53:10] Like you're not good.

[00:53:12] Because you had never been sickened by your sin.

[00:53:18] Probably, I mean sin's fun.

[00:53:20] It is.

[00:53:20] It's a blast.

[00:53:21] And you know-

[00:53:23] That was too enthusiastic.

[00:53:24] That's not right.

[00:53:26] But that's the truth.

[00:53:27] Like sin is fun.

[00:53:29] It is.

[00:53:30] But it's really bad for you.

[00:53:31] It is and so-

[00:53:32] Consequence.

[00:53:33] If we, because it's really easy to say,

[00:53:36] yep I think you just encapsulated,

[00:53:39] I think where a lot of people end up,

[00:53:40] you know, when you see the Holy Spirit mode,

[00:53:42] the Bible says one of the things he does is convict.

[00:53:44] Yeah.

[00:53:45] And I remember when I came to Christ,

[00:53:47] it was the, when I knew it was for real,

[00:53:51] when I knew I really met Jesus,

[00:53:53] I was sickened by my sin.

[00:53:56] And from what you're, the way you're articulating it,

[00:53:59] that's kind of how I live.

[00:54:00] Yeah, like you can't believe,

[00:54:02] yeah disgusted, like I can't believe this.

[00:54:05] And then you think about it later on,

[00:54:06] like as you're going through,

[00:54:08] okay, you've rededicated your life,

[00:54:10] or you could say you were actually saved then.

[00:54:13] You actually committed to being in a relationship with Jesus.

[00:54:17] That actual thing instead of the religious motion

[00:54:22] of I'm sorry Jesus so it's okay,

[00:54:25] this time I'm sorry Jesus did not feel like enough for you.

[00:54:29] Yes, okay.

[00:54:30] No, and I think that's powerful for a lot of people.

[00:54:33] Like if you're just sitting there going through the motions

[00:54:35] and like are you sick over your sin?

[00:54:37] Do you hate your sin?

[00:54:39] And if the answer is no,

[00:54:41] if you have not just felt not,

[00:54:44] and there's a difference between being sick over your sin

[00:54:47] and being hurt because you got caught.

[00:54:49] Yeah.

[00:54:50] There's a 100% difference and ask yourself,

[00:54:53] okay I wonder if I'm safe.

[00:54:54] Well let me ask you a question.

[00:54:56] Are you, when you're caught in sin,

[00:54:59] are you emotional because you got caught?

[00:55:01] Or are you emotional because you know what you've done

[00:55:06] is wrong and you've offended an Almighty God who loves you?

[00:55:10] And if the answer is the second one,

[00:55:14] yeah, yeah, you're in man, you're in.

[00:55:18] So okay, so you guys have this,

[00:55:20] okay so now you have this pastor,

[00:55:22] do you share with the pastor,

[00:55:23] hey I surrendered and he said,

[00:55:25] hey guess what she did too?

[00:55:26] Or how did that happen?

[00:55:28] No, he told us like don't really tell each other.

[00:55:32] Sometimes we didn't listen to him.

[00:55:34] But he said like don't tell Andrew

[00:55:36] and I think he told you maybe don't tell Ariel.

[00:55:39] Yeah, he didn't want to create bias of like oh,

[00:55:41] you know like worry about you and God

[00:55:44] because you are a mess.

[00:55:46] Right.

[00:55:46] And like he told us whoever has God out of this will be okay.

[00:55:50] Wisdom.

[00:55:50] And you might not have your marriage,

[00:55:52] but whoever has God will be okay.

[00:55:54] Wisdom.

[00:55:55] Yeah so we kind of stop like looking at each other

[00:55:59] and just going I need God.

[00:56:01] I need Jesus and I need to surrender.

[00:56:04] And so then you know we're separated

[00:56:07] and we go back to Colorado, we fly back

[00:56:10] and our, you know my family offers

[00:56:12] to keep our kids in Michigan

[00:56:14] and we go back to Colorado to fight for our marriage.

[00:56:18] And I stay at a friend's house, a co-worker

[00:56:21] and Ariel stays at our house.

[00:56:23] And we continue counseling you know with the pastor and then.

[00:56:28] Just kind of a long distance zoom kind of thing or?

[00:56:30] With the pastor yeah over the phone yeah.

[00:56:32] Okay with the pastor.

[00:56:33] And he was so he was great you know

[00:56:35] and God really worked through him too.

[00:56:37] But for the first time you know I was done,

[00:56:40] I was on my knees and I was in the word

[00:56:44] and everything all my knowledge

[00:56:47] but reading it for myself it was flying off the page.

[00:56:50] Came alive yeah.

[00:56:51] Every song, every scripture I couldn't get enough.

[00:56:55] At the time I was making a lot of money.

[00:56:58] I was really successful in my career.

[00:57:00] I was the number two guy in the company.

[00:57:03] And I remember my friends at the time saying

[00:57:06] you gotta be done with Ariel

[00:57:08] because she's just gonna try to take your money.

[00:57:11] In this because at the time we were making $60,000, $50,000 a month.

[00:57:15] And I was miserable.

[00:57:17] Right.

[00:57:17] That was another big lesson is they were looking at my finances

[00:57:22] and I could care less.

[00:57:24] Right.

[00:57:24] Because I had lived my life for the wrong thing.

[00:57:26] And you were broken.

[00:57:27] I was done.

[00:57:28] And you knew that all you wanted was Jesus.

[00:57:31] And I was justified in my sin a lot just like Ariel said.

[00:57:35] And then I came to the point where you know I wasn't.

[00:57:39] And so I was just pouring into the word.

[00:57:42] And it was a really good time of actually having a relationship with the Lord.

[00:57:48] And it was really sweet.

[00:57:51] So we fought, you know, we had to expose everything that we ever did.

[00:57:55] There can be no secrets in marriage.

[00:57:57] That was hard.

[00:57:58] That was a hard time to hear all that and go through what had been happened.

[00:58:02] Yeah.

[00:58:02] That hurt.

[00:58:03] And sin is ugly.

[00:58:04] Right.

[00:58:04] And recognizing even the little sin is it's sin.

[00:58:08] Sin is sin.

[00:58:09] No matter what.

[00:58:10] You did, there was a lot of hurt there for you to hear this is what I've done.

[00:58:16] And so Ariel, you sit there and you go, that's painful.

[00:58:19] It's like a personal, there's almost like a personal attack, almost like a,

[00:58:23] and the same for you.

[00:58:24] You did what?

[00:58:25] Like.

[00:58:26] And there's a lot of shame and guilt too that the enemy will use.

[00:58:28] Oh my goodness.

[00:58:29] And then you look at God and you go, how can you forgive me?

[00:58:33] Yeah.

[00:58:34] Like your grace doesn't make sense.

[00:58:36] But then, you have to see a picture of that in each other to say,

[00:58:43] and the pastor's leading you through some, continue to counsel and whatnot and talk about,

[00:58:49] I mean, obviously a ton of talk about forgiveness.

[00:58:51] Yes?

[00:58:52] Yeah.

[00:58:52] No.

[00:58:53] It's we're called to, right?

[00:58:55] Right.

[00:58:55] Because God forgave us.

[00:58:56] And so we both wanted to be married to each other.

[00:59:00] We knew it had to change.

[00:59:02] And we knew we had to put God in the middle of our life.

[00:59:05] Right.

[00:59:05] Right.

[00:59:05] You know, we had, he had to be the Lord of us individually.

[00:59:08] But then we also had to put him in the middle of our marriage

[00:59:11] to be one that we seek him together.

[00:59:14] So we just did a lot of change.

[00:59:15] We completely stopped our old friend group.

[00:59:19] And we just told them, you know, we need to focus on us and the Lord.

[00:59:24] And we didn't make any big commitments as a family to sports or any other things for a year.

[00:59:29] Yeah.

[00:59:29] We took a year for us and didn't, yeah, did nothing but just us.

[00:59:34] Just us.

[00:59:34] Just us.

[00:59:35] Just us.

[00:59:35] Just us.

[00:59:36] Just us.

[00:59:36] And we recklessly pursued Jesus.

[00:59:37] Yeah.

[00:59:38] And rebuilt our marriage and our relationship with him.

[00:59:42] And then, you know, we completely stopped drinking alcohol.

[00:59:47] Mm-hmm.

[00:59:47] Just because it wasn't good for us.

[00:59:49] We saw what?

[00:59:50] Yeah.

[00:59:50] We saw the road.

[00:59:51] You know, a lot of things we put ourselves in the situation where temptation could happen.

[00:59:57] Mm-hmm.

[00:59:57] And so we completely made changes with that.

[01:00:01] We, you know, talked to our pastor at church about it.

[01:00:04] We got a good Christian counselor and we did like two or one meetings a week for like a year and a half.

[01:00:12] This all down in Colorado?

[01:00:13] Yeah, this is in Colorado.

[01:00:15] So, you know, we're growing in our faith.

[01:00:17] It's genuine, you know, stuff like just little things of like,

[01:00:21] we're going to pray every morning.

[01:00:23] We're going to have accountability and have a personal quiet time every morning individually.

[01:00:27] Mm-hmm.

[01:00:27] And then at night, we're going to come together,

[01:00:30] pray, read scripture together.

[01:00:31] Mm-hmm.

[01:00:32] And this is going to be something, you know, weekly date nights.

[01:00:36] Like we just had put action and skin behind, you know, what we talked about doing before,

[01:00:42] but never would.

[01:00:44] So, and I don't want to glaze over any of this.

[01:00:48] So please forgive me if you get that sense.

[01:00:51] But you, so you're in Colorado.

[01:00:54] All this starts to happen at some point.

[01:00:56] God says, all right, it's time to go home.

[01:00:59] When did the kids, the kids eventually obviously came back to Colorado?

[01:01:02] We forgot.

[01:01:02] Yeah.

[01:01:02] Dang it.

[01:01:05] But so, I mean-

[01:01:05] They've been here for years.

[01:01:07] That's dang it.

[01:01:07] They're probably hungry.

[01:01:08] That's kind of cool.

[01:01:09] Four years.

[01:01:09] Yeah.

[01:01:10] So you rejoin with the kids at some point and again-

[01:01:13] Yep, they came home after a couple weeks.

[01:01:15] So we, we went back to Colorado.

[01:01:15] Oh, it was just a couple of weeks, okay.

[01:01:17] We went, you know, we're separate and said like,

[01:01:20] we want to stay married.

[01:01:21] We want to work on this.

[01:01:22] How does that look?

[01:01:24] Came back to Michigan, picked up the transit van.

[01:01:28] The kids drove back to Colorado and then continued on with our life there,

[01:01:35] which wasn't much of a life.

[01:01:36] It was 2020.

[01:01:36] You couldn't do anything anyways.

[01:01:38] So you've, you okay?

[01:01:39] And so you're still working the business, trying to do what you can.

[01:01:42] And then, and then what brought you back to Michigan?

[01:01:44] So, you know, through Ariel and I having a relationship with the Lord

[01:01:49] and being in prayer and in the world and being a lot closer to him,

[01:01:53] we just both separately, but then together talked about it,

[01:01:57] had an underlying pull to move home.

[01:02:00] Okay.

[01:02:00] You know, for our kids to know their grandpa and grandma

[01:02:03] and their cousins and their family and business wise,

[01:02:07] financially wise, that was dumb, right?

[01:02:09] Because we had all the stuff there.

[01:02:12] Colorado was not going bad.

[01:02:14] Right.

[01:02:14] We were top five in the company.

[01:02:17] There was money everywhere.

[01:02:20] And we had, Ariel had a sweet Jeep.

[01:02:22] I had a rapper.

[01:02:23] And you had another nice truck.

[01:02:25] He had another nice truck.

[01:02:26] This is gonna work.

[01:02:27] We had nice, so to the world we were very successful.

[01:02:30] Okay.

[01:02:31] But after our marriage crisis and relationship with the Lord,

[01:02:35] a genuine relationship, we saw that that was not priority.

[01:02:39] And he, we felt like God was calling us to move back to Michigan.

[01:02:43] So I remember telling my regional manager at the time,

[01:02:46] like, I think I'm going to move home.

[01:02:48] Like, I think I'm going to, and he's like, you're crazy,

[01:02:51] you know, because you'll never make this there.

[01:02:54] And I said, yeah, but you know,

[01:02:56] and it was an opportunity to witness and go,

[01:02:58] that's not really what it's about.

[01:03:00] That's not what counts, right?

[01:03:00] Because I was pretty transparent in my marriage crisis

[01:03:02] and everything else.

[01:03:03] And how God redeemed and restored us.

[01:03:05] You know, I messed it up and he fixed it.

[01:03:08] So you came back to what did you do for work

[01:03:10] when you got back here?

[01:03:11] So basically, you know, so we're committed to Michigan

[01:03:15] when we start praying about what that looks like.

[01:03:18] And we prayed about moving home

[01:03:20] and for an opportunity to get a job and a house here.

[01:03:23] And we prayed for a year and a half.

[01:03:25] And we also took it upon ourselves to write notes, letters

[01:03:30] with our acute little family picture.

[01:03:32] And we had the kids write their names and their little kids

[01:03:35] and send them to people around his sister

[01:03:38] and brother-in-law's property

[01:03:39] because we wanted to be by family if we were moving home.

[01:03:42] Yeah.

[01:03:42] So we would like to move home and we want to buy your house.

[01:03:45] Kind of like, okay.

[01:03:47] Can you give us some property?

[01:03:48] Well, there's a lot of farmers.

[01:03:50] So they have, you know,

[01:03:50] and it's like, hey, can we buy 10?

[01:03:52] We'll overpay for it.

[01:03:53] Yeah.

[01:03:54] Well, we just want to live on the border

[01:03:56] so they can run back and forth.

[01:03:57] Right.

[01:03:58] You know, we're separate.

[01:03:59] And it works.

[01:03:59] Somebody said sure.

[01:04:00] No.

[01:04:01] It did not.

[01:04:02] Oh.

[01:04:02] So we have, we feel God's calling to move home.

[01:04:07] We start pursuing God's calling to move home.

[01:04:09] It's less money.

[01:04:10] We don't care.

[01:04:11] So we're looking into it.

[01:04:13] Nothing's working.

[01:04:14] Right.

[01:04:14] We're praying for a year and a half.

[01:04:16] I talked to my company about transferring

[01:04:18] and being a rep here.

[01:04:19] Well, less than a year.

[01:04:20] Less than a year.

[01:04:21] Yeah.

[01:04:22] There was, yeah, I guess.

[01:04:23] There was nothing open.

[01:04:25] So we had fully designed a house, a barn to minium.

[01:04:29] To build.

[01:04:30] Yep.

[01:04:30] To build.

[01:04:30] It's a beautiful barn.

[01:04:32] So we had paid for all the plans.

[01:04:33] We custom did all of it.

[01:04:35] And our kind of our rough plan was

[01:04:37] if I need to fly back and forth

[01:04:39] until we get something in Michigan,

[01:04:41] but we're going to build,

[01:04:41] we're going to plant roots.

[01:04:43] Right.

[01:04:43] We'll pay for it in Colorado.

[01:04:44] And you know, I'll just travel back and forth

[01:04:47] until we can submit something here.

[01:04:49] And so we're going along with that.

[01:04:52] And I'm looking on Zillow and Relutter every day.

[01:04:54] Right.

[01:04:55] And I'm having my brother-in-law go look for land.

[01:04:58] But during this, this is Corona.

[01:04:59] Lumber goes sky high.

[01:05:01] Right.

[01:05:02] Land goes up.

[01:05:02] It's hard to, you know, that market's super hot.

[01:05:05] So nothing's more than a day.

[01:05:08] So we're just kind of like, Lord, what's going on?

[01:05:11] Like you, you know, we feel called to this.

[01:05:14] And we just, it's nothing's really going to play.

[01:05:18] So what do you do something?

[01:05:19] So we're pushing for, and then one day

[01:05:22] I send my brother-in-law some land to look at

[01:05:25] down the road from his place.

[01:05:26] And he is on his way to see it.

[01:05:29] And on his way, the Relutter is putting a sign in

[01:05:32] at a house two miles from him down the road

[01:05:36] of a house that was just built in 2020.

[01:05:38] Okay, right.

[01:05:39] And that person that built it

[01:05:42] got a job offer to move to Florida,

[01:05:43] but he had to do it fast.

[01:05:45] So they had completed the house in February of 2020

[01:05:49] and occupied it.

[01:05:50] And then it was for sale in May.

[01:05:52] Okay.

[01:05:53] So me, so he sends me the Zillow for it

[01:05:56] and says this just hit the market.

[01:05:58] I'm trying to hate it for you.

[01:06:00] But I can't.

[01:06:01] I can't.

[01:06:02] And it's really similar to what you designed.

[01:06:05] So you guys, so God's like, okay, here's your house.

[01:06:09] What about work?

[01:06:10] Well, so we're, you know, we get pre-approved.

[01:06:15] We put an offer in and it gets accepted.

[01:06:17] And it was a popular house.

[01:06:19] But two weeks prior to this house going on the market,

[01:06:22] just came up on Facebook memories.

[01:06:25] We came home for Easter that year.

[01:06:28] We went to Big Air.

[01:06:30] And we see this couple like from high school and we're like,

[01:06:34] Hey, how are you talking?

[01:06:35] Nothing comes up about moving about anything like that.

[01:06:40] And then we go back.

[01:06:42] We see this house put in get approved.

[01:06:45] Get the house and it, or before we know we get the house.

[01:06:50] It's the couple that we were just talking to.

[01:06:52] The only couple we talked to.

[01:06:54] I were here and you know, he says, here's the link.

[01:06:56] Look at it.

[01:06:57] And I go, I know the realtor.

[01:06:58] I grew up with her.

[01:07:00] And then Joe goes to work the next day.

[01:07:02] I know one of the guys that built it.

[01:07:04] He works with me.

[01:07:05] It was the cousin of the house owner.

[01:07:08] So then I text the guy like, Hey, we talked at Big Air.

[01:07:11] I'm really interested in your house and this.

[01:07:12] And he's like, yep, see the realtor.

[01:07:14] I'm like, well, I know the realtor.

[01:07:15] So everything was connected with the house.

[01:07:19] So we put an offer and we got it kind of long story short.

[01:07:23] So everybody's very excited that we're moving home and we bought a house.

[01:07:26] I'm terrified.

[01:07:27] Because you don't have a job.

[01:07:28] I feel called to do it.

[01:07:30] Right?

[01:07:31] I remember Ariel just saying, we were praying for open or closed doors.

[01:07:36] Yeah.

[01:07:36] And Ariel said, just go and he'll close the door if it's not meant for us.

[01:07:40] Like that house is going to blow up if we're not supposed to have it.

[01:07:42] Something big is going to happen.

[01:07:44] Like you have to just keep pursuing.

[01:07:46] And nothing happened and you shut up.

[01:07:48] I got the house and so now we own a house in Michigan that we've never seen.

[01:07:52] And we own, we have a house in Colorado that is expensive.

[01:07:56] We're renting that.

[01:07:57] And I really can't afford both.

[01:07:58] Right.

[01:07:59] But I just bought both.

[01:08:01] Right.

[01:08:01] You know, I just have them.

[01:08:02] So I'm terrified.

[01:08:04] I'm waiting on a meeting from work for them to come back and say,

[01:08:07] yeah, we'll transfer you.

[01:08:09] It goes terrible.

[01:08:10] They call me and say, there's nothing.

[01:08:13] There's nothing there for you.

[01:08:14] Nothing here for you.

[01:08:15] And I was like, all right, that's fine.

[01:08:17] And so, but I'm kind of like, and this whole time I kind of did have a piece about it,

[01:08:21] but we're really leaning on God for, you know what,

[01:08:25] and we just are really going by faith if we feel, feel like we should do it.

[01:08:31] And so we have a house, you know,

[01:08:34] that God absolutely provided in a miraculous way,

[01:08:36] but we don't have a job to pay for.

[01:08:38] Okay.

[01:08:39] And then I get this was on a Tuesday.

[01:08:42] And for us, how are we doing on time?

[01:08:44] Terrible.

[01:08:45] Okay.

[01:08:45] We'll be here all day.

[01:08:47] Well, I do have an engagement, but I'm wondering,

[01:08:51] Edith, what does a second episode look like?

[01:08:57] You haven't even gotten to buying your business yet.

[01:08:58] I know that's what we haven't even touched on the business.

[01:09:01] So far we're marriage podcast.

[01:09:04] Marriage podcast.

[01:09:05] And all these...

[01:09:06] Do you think that would fly from a, like a second?

[01:09:15] Yeah.

[01:09:18] Yeah, that's fine.

[01:09:19] What do you guys think about that?

[01:09:21] Yeah.

[01:09:21] I'm fine with it.

[01:09:22] Okay.

[01:09:22] Honestly.

[01:09:22] I mean, I know you're going to need a part two.

[01:09:24] Right.

[01:09:25] And I think our schedule is pretty, pretty good.

[01:09:28] Okay.

[01:09:28] I can go faster too.

[01:09:30] Well, let me do this.

[01:09:31] Let me, let me land the plane here and prep people that there's another episode.

[01:09:37] You can get to where we got to Michigan.

[01:09:39] Okay.

[01:09:40] So the...

[01:09:41] So we have this house.

[01:09:42] Okay.

[01:09:43] So we'll end the edit there.

[01:09:47] So you guys now are, you have two homes, you need to sell one, you've got no job,

[01:09:55] you're coming back to Michigan of course, because you have to, you have the house now.

[01:09:59] And I think there's so much more to this story that I really want to hear about

[01:10:03] because we haven't even touched on business yet because, you know,

[01:10:06] business owners on this podcast and everybody's like, okay, what about the business?

[01:10:08] Right.

[01:10:09] And but I think this was, this is so good.

[01:10:11] And I think so many people are going to be blessed by this, this episode.

[01:10:15] So I think what we're going to do is we're going to split into two episodes.

[01:10:19] And so that one should be posted here in the next,

[01:10:23] the second one should be from when you're listening to this,

[01:10:25] it should be posted the next day or two.

[01:10:26] It should be up there.

[01:10:27] We won't make you wait too long for this,

[01:10:28] but we just really appreciate you guys being on here and sharing your story.

[01:10:32] And hopefully we can light things up a little bit

[01:10:34] in the next episode.

[01:10:36] But we just really want to thank you guys for being here and just kind of bearing your

[01:10:40] soul in front of all of us.

[01:10:41] That's a huge deal.

[01:10:43] And I just, I do not, I don't think we can,

[01:10:45] I don't think we can overstate that.

[01:10:47] That is so huge.

[01:10:48] And I'm really excited to hear the rest of the story.

[01:10:51] Normally we do some closure, some nuggets,

[01:10:53] but I think we'll save that to the next episode.

[01:10:56] All of you who are like, okay, I have my notepad and I'm waiting for my last night.

[01:10:59] I'm sorry too.

[01:11:00] Spencer, right?

[01:11:02] Some Spencer, chill out, put your notebook down.

[01:11:04] But we'll jump back into this here.

[01:11:08] Maybe for you listening, it's going to be in two minutes when the next episode plays.

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